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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

09-15-2016 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Did I just wake up in 1955?
http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/communist...ehind-hillary/
09-15-2016 , 10:49 PM
Who's the communist Trump is fawning over?
09-15-2016 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
I wouldn't celebrate too much just yet, given that she's still at worst a coin flip to win, and social conservatism as we currently know it is about 15, maybe 20 years from the grave. Your ideology has a rather bleak future; it's going to keep dwindling as the olds die off.
You realize an awful lot of the "OLDS" today voted for McGovern over Nixon in 1972. Then we wised up.

Plenty of you kids will, too....................
09-15-2016 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EYESCREW
Good find. Time to convene HUAC!
09-15-2016 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EYESCREW
I would agree and say the debates should help Hillary but... Despite often looking like an uninformed ass Trump went into Republican debates and, according to most post debate polls, beat Cruz, Rubio and Bush every time. Cruz and Rubio were supposed to be master debaters. (No pun intended)

So if Trump can do that to those three why do people think he has no shot at beating Hillary in the debates?
because we're nuts and believe a fact-based discussion of "what the future president will do" will be heavily biased to someone who has been so close to presidents for so long. especially when she's against a guy who hasn't even been mayor of anything. but you're right a lot of people are motivated by fear and like turning their brains off


me: hey vote for me

america: why?

me: because i will make everything great for everyone

america: how?

me: i don't know because i have no idea what the president actually does or can do
09-15-2016 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Hillary should be ecstatic if 60% thinks she won each debate. The more important thing will be that the media thinks she won and have that as the conversation. Trump supporters will think he won even if he takes his pants off and pisses on the front row.
Hillary supporters will think she won even if she pees in her pants.
09-15-2016 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I don't know tons about the Kochs but didn't think they were open racists? I thought their thing was anti-regulation and small government? Isnt that why they are not supporting Trump?
They go back to the very racist group The Birch Society. White Power is not their driving issue, but they are very comfortable around it.

That was very much not my point though. They fomented racism because drawing some kind of working class people into their movement was essential and Ayn Rand wasn't widely read at the KKK meetings. And, of course, they needed voter suppression of people who voted the wrong way.

As a more specific example of ideology that went hand in hand with racists, Charles Murray, Author of The Bell Curve, was a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute where David Koch serves on the council and the Koch Network provides much of the funding.
09-15-2016 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
They go back to the very racist group The Birch Society. White Power is not their driving issue, but they are very comfortable around it.

That was very much not my point though. They fomented racism because drawing some kind of working class people into their movement was essential and Ayn Rand wasn't widely read at the KKK meetings. And, of course, they needed voter suppression of people who voted the wrong way.

As a more specific example of ideology that went hand in hand with racists, Charles Murray, Author of The Bell Curve, was a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute where David Koch serves on the council and the Koch Network provides much of the funding.
Interesting. I should read more about them since they largely fund the extreme right.
09-15-2016 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I think Hillary has better proposals because she actually releases proposals
That's good. No name calling and allows for healthy debate.
09-15-2016 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
because we're nuts and believe a fact-based discussion of "what the future president will do" will be heavily biased to someone who has been so close to presidents for so long. especially when she's against a guy who hasn't even been mayor of anything. but you're right a lot of people are motivated by fear and like turning their brains off


me: hey vote for me

america: why?

me: because i will make everything great for everyone

america: how?

me: i don't know because i have no idea what the president actually does or can do
Trump knows what a good slimy salesperson knows. You never say you don't know. You say "trust me" "believe me" etc. The last line there is: "Believe me. I know how to do it and fast. Starting day one."

Sold.
09-15-2016 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I'm not surprised you don't get it. America is filled with a lot of different people but 40% of them are willing to support a completely openly racist fascist. So you need to rethink your idea that everything is good and swell in America.
Again, you made another major jump in logic. 40% support trump. That does not mean all 40% are racist nazi skin heads. Voting for or suportting trump does not automatically make someone a racist. How can you possibly assume that? Have you, you know, thought that maybe they hate hillary and everything her track records say so much they go trump?

Where did I say everything is fine and dandy in good ol usa? Lol dude again major logic jump. I said there are tons of decent good Americans.... who have been misled and manipulated for decades.
09-15-2016 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
because we're nuts and believe a fact-based discussion of "what the future president will do" will be heavily biased to someone who has been so close to presidents for so long. especially when she's against a guy who hasn't even been mayor of anything. but you're right a lot of people are motivated by fear and like turning their brains off


me: hey vote for me

america: why?

me: because i will make everything great for everyone

america: how?

me: i don't know because i have no idea what the president actually does or can do
Haha If you could actually score debates with points I would bet my net worth to a nickel that Hill would win.
09-15-2016 , 11:09 PM
I'm in California so it doesn't matter, but I think all of you in swing states should get bumper stickers that say "I LOVE FREEDOM" and "GARY JOHNSON".
09-15-2016 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
That is the genius of Trump. Trust in Hillary is almost nonexistent, same for the media.



They tell me Trump is evil, and keep pounding everyone over the head with that. But nobody believes them anymore. If fact everyone is sure it is just another lie.

This is a thing that Trump supporters are legit proud of - just blind disbelief in the media when the proof is right in front of them. Reams of evidence that show Trump is corrupt, has no idea what he's doing, has a pathetically simplistic world view that involves heavy stereotyping, coddles racist right wing-extremists...but they'll show us! The Republican Party has truly gotten what they deserve, a nation of uninformed, scared people who can't parse out truth from fiction, getting pied pipered by their candidate; only catch is that the candidate is a legit threat to American democracy. But hey at least he'd cut taxes and appoint justices who will do their bidding, so win-win as long as we don't have a nuclear apocalypse.
09-15-2016 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
That is the genius of Trump. Trust in Hillary is almost nonexistent, same for the media.

They tell me Trump is evil, and keep pounding everyone over the head with that. But nobody believes them anymore. If fact everyone is sure it is just another lie.
Trump is a dangerous know nothing with no clue about foreign or domestic policy. He's trying to run for POTUS as a brand.

I really don't love HRC and complained about some of the same things during the primaries. I wouldn't vote for Rubio or w/e, but I might stay out of the argument. But, Trump is a disaster regardless of whether he's evil or not.
09-15-2016 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
This is a thing that Trump supporters are legit proud of - just blind disbelief in the media when the proof is right in front of them. Reams of evidence that show Trump is corrupt, has no idea what he's doing, has a pathetically simplistic world view that involves heavy stereotyping, coddles racist right wing-extremists...but they'll show us! The Republican Party has truly gotten what they deserve, a nation of uninformed, scared people who can't parse out truth from fiction, getting pied pipered by their candidate; only catch is that the candidate is a legit threat to American democracy. But hey at least he'd cut taxes and appoint justices who will do their bidding, so win-win as long as we don't have a nuclear apocalypse.
Lol you are completely missing this/ not thinking it through. If you can admit to yourself (lol at expecting you fools to admit it itt) that hillary clinton is a huge pos/ horrible for the average citizen, and we all know trump is horrible too....

It's not about voting for the candidate you hate less... No no no.. The right decision is voting for the candidate who would be least effective at accomplishing anything.

I'm seeing similarities between guys equating a trump presidency to brexit in that they think it will be the end of the world (lol like those year 2000 conspiracy tards). And guess what... It's not the end of the world. Our gov is set up so that it is extremely hard for any person or party to have complete control of our gov... And even if they do it is extremely hard to pass anything through... USA isn't a dictatorship guys...
09-15-2016 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
Lol you are completely missing this/ not thinking it through. If you can admit to yourself (lol at expecting you fools to admit it itt) that hillary clinton is a huge pos/ horrible for the average citizen, and we all know trump is horrible too....

It's not about voting for the candidate you hate less... No no no.. The right decision is voting for the candidate who would be least effective at accomplishing anything.

I'm seeing similarities between guys equating a trump presidency to brexit in that they think it will be the end of the world (lol like those year 2000 conspiracy tards). And guess what... It's not the end of the world.
Trump would destroy the EPA whether or not he could actually eliminate it. Trump would be a nightmare for the environment and he absolutely would be able to accomplish a lot of damage.
09-15-2016 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente

I'm seeing similarities between guys equating a trump presidency to brexit in that they think it will be the end of the world (lol like those year 2000 conspiracy tards). And guess what... It's not the end of the world.
This is an impressively bad logic fail, even for this thread.
09-15-2016 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Trump would destroy the EPA whether or not he could actually eliminate it. Trump would be a nightmare for the environment and he absolutely would be able to accomplish a lot of damage.
You post a lot of what you think will happen... Just like the year 2000 tards and the brexit fearmongerers. Once again-- our gov is not a dictatorship and everyone on both sides despises the man/ thinks he's a nutjob.
09-15-2016 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
This is a thing that Trump supporters are legit proud of - just blind disbelief in the media when the proof is right in front of them. Reams of evidence that show Trump is corrupt, has no idea what he's doing, has a pathetically simplistic world view that involves heavy stereotyping, coddles racist right wing-extremists...but they'll show us! The Republican Party has truly gotten what they deserve, a nation of uninformed, scared people who can't parse out truth from fiction, getting pied pipered by their candidate; only catch is that the candidate is a legit threat to American democracy. But hey at least he'd cut taxes and appoint justices who will do their bidding, so win-win as long as we don't have a nuclear apocalypse.
Goat

They've been so propagandized by their 'alternative media,' it's hilarious. They've been manipulated into disdain for elites, while naturally predisposed to inferiority because they know in their most genuine moments that they're garbage. But like any good Christian, they essentially just 'breathe Jesus' when confronted by this realization errr devil whispering in their ear.

Last edited by Schlitz mmmm; 09-15-2016 at 11:28 PM. Reason: mixed metaphors
09-15-2016 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
You post a lot of what you think will happen... Just like the year 2000 tards and the brexit fearmongerers. Once again-- our gov is not a dictatorship and everyone on both sides despises the man/ thinks he's a nutjob.
The EPA is a government department and Trump would be the executive in charge of it. He would have a ton of leeway, independent of Congress, over what it does or fails to do.
09-15-2016 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
Lol you are completely missing this/ not thinking it through. If you can admit to yourself (lol at expecting you fools to admit it itt) that hillary clinton is a huge pos/ horrible for the average citizen, and we all know trump is horrible too....

It's not about voting for the candidate you hate less... No no no.. The right decision is voting for the candidate who would be least effective at accomplishing anything.

I'm seeing similarities between guys equating a trump presidency to brexit in that they think it will be the end of the world (lol like those year 2000 conspiracy tards). And guess what... It's not the end of the world. Our gov is set up so that it is extremely hard for any person or party to have complete control of our gov... And even if they do it is extremely hard to pass anything through... USA isn't a dictatorship guys...

Trump wants to appoint Supreme Court justices who would reverse social progress made over the last 60 plus years, including restrictions on both voting and women's access to abortion. Even though neither of these affect me they are huge concerns to me in the way they affect the nation. Granted these are standard Republican positions but these are things that he can 100% do. Trump probably won't get "his" things done (save for killing the estate tax) since he has no actual ideas but he will further the worst parts of the conservative agenda while also being a massive wild card for foreign relations.
09-15-2016 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
You post a lot of what you think will happen... Just like the year 2000 tards and the brexit fearmongerers. Once again-- our gov is not a dictatorship and everyone on both sides despises the man/ thinks he's a nutjob.
I don't think you understand the the power of the presidency.

Not to mention they are also commander in chief and get to choose which existing laws to enforce.
09-15-2016 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
This is an impressively bad logic fail, even for this thread.
Educate me Clovis. Browse through the brexit thread. Look at this thread. They are strikingly similar in that people think it's the end of the world if x passes.
09-15-2016 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I don't think you understand the the power of the presidency.

Not to mention they are also commander in chief and get to choose which existing laws to enforce.
"executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch"

It's true they have leeway. But to think this nut job is going to get to do whatever the **** he pleases is so lol. Read up on how the gov was designed.

      
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