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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

08-20-2016 , 11:05 PM
I wonder if his base of mouth breathers will be mad?
08-20-2016 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
I wonder if his base of mouth breathers will be mad?
Yes, dey took der jerbs.
08-20-2016 , 11:30 PM
Univision took over The Onion earlier this year. Maybe it was the other way around.
08-20-2016 , 11:36 PM
The pivot is real. The Trump train is back on the rails and building up a head of steam.

Look out folks. The Donald is back in business.
08-20-2016 , 11:41 PM
If Trump flips on illegal immigrants, his supporters will lose it
08-20-2016 , 11:44 PM
He's not flipping. Just clarifying.
08-20-2016 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
The pivot is real. The Trump train is back on the rails and building up a head of steam.

Look out folks. The Donald is back in business.
I'll have what she's having,,,,,
08-20-2016 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by highstakesfan
If Trump flips on illegal immigrants, his supporters will lose it
he flips on literally everything, no one will care or notice. His trumpets will just think he's lying to fool the man. He's still just as racist as they all are.
08-20-2016 , 11:47 PM
Trump could literally declare amnesty for all and they wouldn't care. It's 100% about the Cult of Personality and 0% about policy.

Case in point from cheifsplanet:

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
Trump to introduce reforms to legalize some undocumented immigrants

Sources tell Univision that the announcement is coming this week. The Republican candidate spoke Saturday at a meeting with Hispanic leaders where he also said he regrets comments about Mexicans.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump plans to present an immigration plan in Colorado Thursday that will include legalizing millions of undocumented immigrants, according to three people present at a meeting the candidate attended Saturday with Hispanic leaders at Trump Tower in New York.

"I really liked that Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane,” said Jacob Monty, a Texas immigration lawyer who attended the meeting.


The rest here :
http://www.univision.com/univision-n...ted-immigrants
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Originally Posted by Dagnabit
The key word is "some".

I'll take "some", because they will be the correct and proper "some".
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch
Snore. He's always said that.
08-20-2016 , 11:48 PM
Bannon is smart enough to know Trump needs to actually pivot. It will be hilarious when Trump comes out for something like the NHS and his supporters enthusiastically slurp it up. YAY! Free healthcare for white people! Not like that dirty Obamacare that's only for minorities.
08-20-2016 , 11:50 PM
So Trump claimed to raise 80m in July. FEC filing shows 36m
08-20-2016 , 11:50 PM
Trump supporters: Legalizing immigrants is good policy. Also, we've always been at war with Eastasia.
08-21-2016 , 12:56 AM
Never mind the neo nazis behind that huge wall I built. I love me some black and brown people.
08-21-2016 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Yes, it very much was. To the exact extent that "Obama be golfin'" is.
Bush was rightly slammed for taking so much vacation. Over 400 days compared to about 125 for Obama.

At any rate the golfing thing isn't really about vacation. He could just be golfing with friends in DC, and many on the right would still be incensed by seeing a clip on the news. I still think there is a racist element to it.

Not saying the left doesn't harp on stupid, superficial things also... but Bush was not a hard worker and criticism of his overly frequent vacations was justified.
08-21-2016 , 02:01 AM
Trump's July FEC filing is vague and dubious.

When this election is all said and done, Trump will have stolen more than he has spent.
08-21-2016 , 02:29 AM
Bush also prided himself on working a "normal day" from 9 to 6 or some ****. It's part of the reason everyone said Cheney was running the military (-industrial grift).
08-21-2016 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by five4suited
Bush also prided himself on working a "normal day" from 9 to 6 or some ****. It's part of the reason everyone said Cheney was running the military (-industrial grift).
Was this the thread where there was talk about Katrina? Because Cheney was the first to spring to immediate action there too. He made sure the oil and gas industry got electrical power while residential customers waited.
08-21-2016 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by five4suited
Bush also prided himself on working a "normal day" from 9 to 6 or some ****. It's part of the reason everyone said Cheney was running the military (-industrial grift).
This is why I'm very leery of the attitude of "Well Trump is just kind of a cheerleader buffoon, what damage can he really do?"

If Trump checks out and someone else is running the country? A ton. That other person has the advantage of not having to worry about their legacy. At least that fear, of going down in history as a terrible president, tends to keep presidents in check. Rasputins have no such concern.
08-21-2016 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
This is why I'm very leery of the attitude of "Well Trump is just kind of a cheerleader buffoon, what damage can he really do?"

If Trump checks out and someone else is running the country? A ton. That other person has the advantage of not having to worry about their legacy. At least that fear, of going down in history as a terrible president, tends to keep presidents in check. Rasputins have no such concern.
Pence is a really scary guy. If left to run unchecked, he could do a tremendous amount of damage.

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/07/m...-moments-many/
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1. Supporting a constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality

In 2006, then-Rep. Pence told 100 of his fellow Republicans that he supported a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex weddings. Or as Pence put it, supported “God’s plan” in the face of the destruction of civilization. “Societal collapse was always brought about following an advent of the deterioration of marriage and family,” Pence complained.

2. Signed a bill to jail same-sex couples for applying for a marriage license

In an effort to make a bad idea even worse, as governor Pence signed a bill in 2013 that would jail same-sex couples in Indiana who applied for a marriage license. To prove that he wasn’t singling gay people out, Pence was also willing to jail marriage clerks who supplied a license or clergy who performed the wedding.

3. Wanted to divert funding from HIV prevention to conversion therapy

This one’s a two-fer: as a Congressional candidate in 2000, Pence wrapped two awful ideas into a single dreadful proposal. He wanted to ensure that “federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.” So where should the money go? “Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.” In other words, conversion therapy.

4. Opposed repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

Longing for the good old days of complete invisibility for gay people, Pence predictably ignored the preponderance of evidence in support of repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Instead, Pence put himself out there as a leading opponent of the policy change. “There’s no question to mainstream homosexuality within active duty military would have an impact on unit cohesion,” Pence argued, dismissing the repeal as “some liberal domestic social agenda.”

5. Complained about the passage of the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill

In Pence’s ideal world, there would be zero protections. So it’s no surprise that he groused when the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes bill was signed into law in 2009. Pence didn’t cite legal objections. Instead, he complained that it advanced a “radical social agenda” and would have “a chilling effect on religious expression, from the pulpits, in our temples, in our mosques and in our churches.”

6. Served on the board of an antigay group

Pence has had a close relationship with the antigay leadership in his state. He served on the board of the Indiana Family Institute, an affiliate of Focus on the Family, which has been in the forefront of attacks on LGBT rights in the state, including a state constitutional amendment banning marriage equality. Thanks to its connections to Pence and other Republicans, IFI has been the recipient of funding for the state’s “Health Marriage” program. The former head of IFI has served as an aide to Pence both in Congress and the state house and as a campaign consultant.

7. Argued that passing ENDA would ban Bibles from the workplace

Of course, in Congress Pence voted against federal workplace protections. What was unique was his reasoning, which was that ENDA would discriminate against Christians. To comply with the law, Pence claimed, “the employer has to ban employees from having a Bible at the workplace for their break time, or displaying Bible verses.” Foreshadowing the Indiana religious liberty law, he went on: “We must stand for the right of every American to practice their faith according to the dictates of their conscience, whether it be in the public square or in the workplace.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...fective-226759
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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed a pledge last month, along with most of the nation’s governors, to combat the opioid crisis, calling it “one of the deadliest drug epidemics in our nation’s history.” But when confronted with a spiraling HIV outbreak in his home state as a result of opioid addicts sharing contaminated needles, Pence dragged his feet before agreeing to lift a ban on programs that distribute sterile needles.

Indiana became a national flash point for the opioid epidemic last year when nearly 200 people in rural Scott County became infected with HIV primarily as a result of injecting Opana, a powerful prescription opioid, using dirty needles. Those needles spawned one of the biggest outbreaks of HIV in decades, with more than 20 new cases being diagnosed every week at the height of the outbreak last year.

Public health experts from around the country advised immediately lifting the state’s ban on needle exchange programs as a way to stop the spread of the disease — an approach that has proved effective in other places.
The governor resisted, but, under enormous pressure, he eventually agreed to a partial lifting of the ban. But critics say the statewide compromise has been ineffective because it offered little financial help to cash-strapped counties and permitted only “limited and accountable" exchange programs, as Pence described it.

The GOP vice-presidential nominee's response to Indiana’s opioid scourge offers a window into his approach to handling a crisis, showing someone deeply wedded to conventional conservative ideas but also a pragmatist who gave ground in an emergency. That approach helped quell the crisis in Scott County but did little for other communities struggling with clusters of hepatitis C and HIV infections from addicts sharing dirty needles. Public health experts also worry about additional HIV outbreaks without more effective prevention policies.
08-21-2016 , 03:37 AM
Yeah that would all suck. Still not as bad as Cheney. I feel bad for the gay community. But I also feel bad for hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and the unspeakable horror that's happening to the Yazedis because of our bull**** war.

Of course that's all Obama's fault for pulling out too soon.

Pence seems like such a wishywash, I think someone else will step up. JFC someone like Bannon or Manafort. Putin will basically be running our country.
08-21-2016 , 04:37 AM
D- gimmick
08-21-2016 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
A miss in the sense that the heavy favorite didn't win and the betting market wasn't a good predictor. I understand your point that long shoots do come in.
I wouldn't say Brexit pricing was a miss. If I were a bookmaker and got a ton of people and large volumes of money to get on the wrong side at a really bad price, I would feel like I did a pretty good job. While the egg heads were telling me how badly I failed, I would be enjoying my new bank balance.

The betting exchanges volume on sports and political events is not as significant as the action being bet through the market maker model at most large bookmakers.
08-21-2016 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Was this the thread where there was talk about Katrina? Because Cheney was the first to spring to immediate action there too. He made sure the oil and gas industry got electrical power while residential customers waited.
This happens literally everywhere because idling oil and gas facilities are major safety hazards.

That and oil and gas power electrical generation.
08-21-2016 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah that would all suck. Still not as bad as Cheney. I feel bad for the gay community. But I also feel bad for hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and the unspeakable horror that's happening to the Yazedis because of our bull**** war.

Of course that's all Obama's fault for pulling out too soon.

Pence seems like such a wishywash, I think someone else will step up. JFC someone like Bannon or Manafort. Putin will basically be running our country.
The failure in the Middle East in my opinion is the worst catastrophe in my lifetime. Sixteen years of inept foreign policy has led to the deaths tens of thousands of Muslims and the destabilization of the region. Russian cooperation with Iran directly threatens our Gulf Allies, minimizes our authority, and is causing heinous civilian suffering and death on a massive scale.

But hey, how many Mexicans are sneaking in to the country to cut grass at the country club or hang drywall is the driving issue this year. It's a joke.
08-21-2016 , 08:05 AM
I don't think Obama's Middle East policy has been that bad. The results have been bad but the assumption that there existed a course of action where the results wouldn't have been bad seems questionable. Even in the time of GWB, like the Iraq War was a disaster but it's not like the Middle East would be sweetness and light if it hadn't happened. It would be some other flavor of ****ed up.

If I were in charge of the US, all my Middle East thoughts would be focused on how to disengage from the region. I'd try to get energy independence locked down. I'd continue to support Israel, but only conditional on them stopping building new settlements in the occupied territories. I'd want precision-strike capability to take out threats to the US and other than that try to be pragmatic where possible (the Iran nuclear deal being a good example). Other than the ban on new settlements, it seems to me that pretty much describes Obama's approach. It's possible he has overused drones, but I don't have the intel he does, so it's hard to tell.

      
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