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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN

View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be

Hillary

332 46.63%

TRUMP

190 26.69%

In to watch it burn

161 22.61%

Bastard

73 10.25%

im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions

57 8.01%

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08-20-2016 , 03:58 PM

#17376

vhawk01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

The Reagan stayed vacationing at Augusta National Golf Club after the Beirut bombing false Facebook thing still pops up occasionally. I don't doubt that it more prevalent on the right but dumb arguments are not exclusively the domain of conservatives.

Yeah I mean I'm not interested in going to bat for the idiotic right wing and their stupid concerns, but its pretty silly to be like "ZOMG they treat Obama so much differently than they treated GWB"

08-20-2016 , 04:00 PM

#17377

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

Props to Reagan for not sending 150k troops to Lebanon, but if a Democrat would have reacted to the bombing like Reagan they would have been Jimmy Cartered times a million and remembered as the weakest POTUS in history.

08-20-2016 , 04:01 PM

#17378

Loki

binary duo

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 12,772

Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

The Reagan stayed vacationing at Augusta National Golf Club after the Beirut bombing false Facebook thing still pops up occasionally. He had vacation controversies during his stay in office. I don't doubt that it more prevalent on the right but dumb arguments are not exclusively the domain of conservatives.

Of course not, but NYTimes and WaPo aren't running stupid memes like that as news stories. The same isn't true for Faux and Breitbart and Drudge.

These two things aren't equal. One is officially sanctioned propaganda, the other is a few idiots who probably don't vote anyway.

Like, the left has news sources like Vox trying to dispel some of the stupid anti-science fads some liberals believe in, like GMO scare mongering, anti-vax, juice cleanses, etc. The right lets Ron Paul sell rations for the post-apocalypse.

08-20-2016 , 04:02 PM

#17379

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Given the rest of Clovis's point, I took the post to mean that acknowledging the risks of moral hazard is a fundamental concept of capitalism.

Pretty weird typo imo.

08-20-2016 , 04:07 PM

#17380

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

The right in America has a hard time with the fact that it's a mishmash of conflicting ideologies.

Well, I don't know if that should be past tense or not, since the big government neo-con branch has become Democrats.

08-20-2016 , 04:08 PM

#17381

Tiltmonkey2

adept

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 717

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

I know y'all are tired of me harping on this ****, but the way even the "good conservatives" lie is because they don't feel shame in lying like most people would. It's like how a lawyer doesn't feel shame in arguing for a client he knows is guilty, when domer approaches global warming he doesn't see it as a Civil Reasoned Debate about Science and Policy, he sees it as an argument with two sides, and the goddamn hippies already staked out the side with all the facts on it. So what else is he supposed to do?

Admit the longhairs are right? No no no, **** them, domer will show them. He might be handicapped by being wrong about an important thing, wrong in such a way that meaningful and irreversible damage has been done by him and his allies, but he'll get some shots in.

Right wing media is both a relatively recent development but also an all-consuming one, the last 20 years have produced people who

1) Learn about the world from a very carefully curated diet of agitprop and talking points

2) Literally do not give a **** about the facts, to the extent that they conceptually do not agree that there is such a thing as "the facts".

3) Experience no shame whatsoever. Again, like a lawyer who loses a case, well, dang, ya got me that time. But did you hear about Obama golfing, though? Hoo boy even the liberal Washington Post said it was bad optics!

It's a ****ing game to them, Fox News and AM radio literally turns off normal humanity.

All these things can be said about the left as well. That's the game they all are playing. CNN and numerous others spew a bunch of biased nonsense just like Fox news does. The good news is mainstream networks are dying. Fewer and fewer people get news from the TV networks.

08-20-2016 , 04:08 PM

#17382

seattlelou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Neither is the WSJ or Weekly Standard afaict. Who is claiming the WAPO right now? I have them as the FP Neocon paper. Less sure about where they fit in the left/right paradigm domestically.

08-20-2016 , 04:11 PM

#17383

DrChesspain

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vhawk01

Sure, but....people on the LEFT cared. Which is the actual relevant point right?

Liberals had a lot of complaints about W, but I don't think taking vacations was a common complaint.

08-20-2016 , 04:13 PM

#17384

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Given the rest of Clovis's point, I took the post to mean that acknowledging the risks of moral hazard is a fundamental concept of capitalism.

This

08-20-2016 , 04:18 PM

#17385

Loki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

Neither is the WSJ or Weekly Standard afaict. Who is claiming the WAPO right now? I have them as the FP Neocon paper. Less sure about where they fit in the left/right paradigm domestically.

Dunno about WaPo, feel like people on here assured me within the last year they were liberal

What % of rank and file repubs do you think get their news from WSJ vs FNC?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Liberals had a lot of complaints about W, but I don't think taking vacations was a common complaint.

There was a fair amount of "most vacations ever!" complaints on the left iirc, mostly due to how incompetently his administration was run, making it seem like he didn't give a **** about running the country.

08-20-2016 , 04:20 PM

#17386

cuserounder

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

I vote doesn't mean I voted

The mind of a trump supporter

Yup, he's sure going to outperform the polls! They're clearly skewed toward people who actually think "I vote," means, you know, voting.

08-20-2016 , 04:20 PM

#17387

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

Then I think you misread it. How can you square this interpretation with the comment that "without it the wrong people get hurt?' Thats exactly 100% backward.

He quotes me by editing my post.

I obviously mean without recognizing the concept of moral hazard the wrong people get hurt.

Two posts later I list all the actions that went into increasing the moral hazard in the system.

You are being intentionally obtuse to score gotcha points rather than meaningfully engage in a debate.

08-20-2016 , 04:24 PM

#17388

zikzak

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Originally Posted by Tiltmonkey2

This is you doing exactly why Fly just accused you of.

08-20-2016 , 04:25 PM

#17389

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayersFive

Yes, of course.. everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much the content of all of your posts.

I think his point is that people who say racist things or try to enact racist laws are racist. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with him. It's definitional.

08-20-2016 , 04:27 PM

#17390

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Well, that's the whole tragic death of the GOP thing. While the Democrats are a policy-oriented coalition built from various demographics and interest groups, the GOP has spent the last 40-50 years transitioning itself into a ideological entertainment organization.

So while unions and environmentalists might have a intra-Dem policy fight over building a dam or whatever, the GOP resolves those sorts of fights by just not giving a **** about anything specific, you're a good conservative just so long as you're constantly furiously angry about what the dang liberals are up to these days.

08-20-2016 , 04:27 PM

#17391

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

I think his point is that people who say racist things or try to enact racist laws are racist. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with him. It's definitional.

Yeah, but I disagree with all those laws, so if you disagree with me and instead agree with racist things, you are racist.

08-20-2016 , 04:28 PM

#17392

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Yeah, but I disagree with all those laws, so if you disagree with me and instead agree with racist things, you are racist.

Indeed.

08-20-2016 , 04:28 PM

#17393

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweep single

You have to be trolling, no one loves Obama this much IRL.

obama all day irl

08-20-2016 , 04:30 PM

#17394

Loki

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What a historically-based post for someone who joined today and has two posts

08-20-2016 , 04:31 PM

#17395

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

This is so ****ing true. Now with Trump the conservatives has dropped their last unifying principal (and their best one imo), small government.

Literally the only thing making them a party now is hatred of the other party.

08-20-2016 , 04:33 PM

#17396

Loki

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Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 12,772

You could just save us all some time and spit out which previously banned poster you are.

08-20-2016 , 04:33 PM

#17397

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

sure, i think i remember either rachel maddow or keith obermann with like a counter for total days spent on vacation or something silly for GWB. but in modern times with internet connectivity in everyone's pockets, obama can and is doing his job everywhere he goes. he could be putting on the green and one of the dozen staffers on the internet constantly will say "yo O! flooding in louie" and obama yells out "call our guy at FEMA he'll know what to do" as he sinks another eagle

08-20-2016 , 04:38 PM

#17398

formula72

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,751

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

You could just save us all some time and spit out which previously banned poster you are.

To be frank, the account belongs to me. Glad I could save everyone some time.

08-20-2016 , 04:56 PM

#17399

AsianNit

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 9,881

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

I wish conservatives understood that it is okay to believe in climate change but still hate hippies. It's like how a few terrorist attacks doesn't mean I have to stop making fun of the French.

08-20-2016 , 04:57 PM

#17400

rockfsh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Meanwhile, Obama's playing golf, Hillary's taking a nap or w/e and Donald Trump is down in Louisiana helping to unload supplies for the victims of the terrible flooding.

Interesting to see where people's priorities lie isn't it?

Hillary's campaign sent out an email asking for contributions to aid Louisiana.

"I just got off the phone with Governor John Bel Edwards of Louisiana.

The flooding there is more extensive than anyone expected -- more than 40,000 homes have been damaged and more than 100,000 people have been affected.

My heart breaks for Louisiana, and right now, the relief effort can't afford any distractions. The very best way this team can help is to make sure Louisianans have the resources they need.

There are two organizations the governor asked that we help. Chip in right now to the Red Cross, which is doing critical work to provide medical assistance and supplies to the victims of this natural disaster. You can also donate right now to the Baton Rouge Area Foundation, a local organization that’s directing money to community non-profits that need it.

These are our friends, our family members, our community -- and they’re counting on us to reach out with open arms right now. This team has done so much for me. Now I’m asking you to show that same support to the victims in Louisiana, so that we can begin to rebuild together:

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