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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-02-2016 , 07:52 PM
Unless I get a reasonable explanation for this, I will no longer refresh 538.

Wednesday, Nov. 2, at 7:04 p.m. EDT
Clinton 67.6%Trump 32.3%


Missouri OCT. 27-NOV. 1 DFM Research
B-
508 LV
38%
47%
3%
Trump +9
Trump +11

Wednesday, Nov. 2, at 6:44 p.m.
Clinton 69.0%Trump 30.9%


Cliffs: 1.4% equity bump from just one B- poll in Missouri?
11-02-2016 , 07:58 PM
Obama hit NC vote suppression hard today in his goatish speech at UNC. Good line: if you dont vote you're doing their job without making them work for it. Obama gets some serious love in NC.
11-02-2016 , 08:02 PM
GAME 7!
11-02-2016 , 08:03 PM
God. Mother. ****ing. Damnit.

I was screwing around with some of the parameters in my model just now (e.g. what if i only use polls from the last 3 days, and so forth) and noticed the parameter that introduces variance at a national level (either because of systematic polling error or changes in the race) wasn't working properly. It's designed to start high then decay as we get closer to the election, but stop decaying at a certain point because the risk of a polling miss doesn't decay.

It was continuing to decay and has been essentially zero for the last few weeks. My best guess for when the error was introduced is 10/3 or 10/4 because Trump's odds dropped appreciably on that day. I'm sure I was just doing the same thing as today, monkeying with the parameters but neglected to change it back.

Ironically, the current output aligns more closely with my feels for the race, but I'm still pissed as ****.
11-02-2016 , 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Namath12
Julie does not appear to be a Black woman unless my eyes deceive me
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Spoken like a true Stanford man.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dids
You've never seen a light skinned black person?

https://www.google.com/search?q=juli...w=1172&bih=809
jules got dat good hair
11-02-2016 , 08:15 PM
Namath just likes his white folk pale as new snow and his black folk darker than blue, it's all gravy.

11-02-2016 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goofball
God. Mother. ****ing. Damnit.

I was screwing around with some of the parameters in my model just now (e.g. what if i only use polls from the last 3 days, and so forth) and noticed the parameter that introduces variance at a national level (either because of systematic polling error or changes in the race) wasn't working properly. It's designed to start high then decay as we get closer to the election, but stop decaying at a certain point because the risk of a polling miss doesn't decay.

It was continuing to decay and has been essentially zero for the last few weeks. My best guess for when the error was introduced is 10/3 or 10/4 because Trump's odds dropped appreciably on that day. I'm sure I was just doing the same thing as today, monkeying with the parameters but neglected to change it back.

Ironically, the current output aligns more closely with my feels for the race, but I'm still pissed as ****.

Hope you realize that the 0% in your model was the only thing getting most of us through the day, now alcohol is all that's left. Your predictions seem pretty bullish on Clinton compared to others but I do like how you have Florida pretty strongly in her corner, as that's the impression I'm getting despite 538 turning it red in their polls plus model. There have been a couple of polls favoring Trump but the average has been in Clinton's favor as far as I can tell.
11-02-2016 , 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWf
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ck_voters.html

Every. Single. Republican. Supports. This. Until. They. Say. Otherwise.
Great quotes from another article on that page Fly linked to. Meet the Secretary of State of Alabama:

"Asked about automatic registration for people who turn 18, Merrill responded, “I don’t think that just because your birthday comes around, that you ought to be registered to vote.” He then listed a litany of voting rights advocates—including Rep. John Lewis, Martin Luther King, and Rosa Parks—and declared:

These people fought—some of them were beaten, some of them were killed—because of their desire to ensure that everybody that wanted to had the right to register to vote and participate in the process. I’m not going to cheapen the work that they did. I’m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that’s too sorry to get up off of their rear end to go register to vote … because they think they deserve the right because they’ve turned 18.
(Lewis strongly supports automatic voter registration and is pushing a bill that would institute the initiative throughout the United States. In 1976, Lewis stood next to President Jimmy Carter as Carter unveiled his plan for nationwide automatic voter registration.)*

“To me,” Merrill continued, “that’s no different than giving them a trophy because they’ve played on the ball team.”

You only get a trophy if you win! And if you want to participate in the process, there’s a system for doing that. And we want to make sure that they have the ability to do that. And we’re going to help them have the opportunity to do it. But just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right to do anything.
Merrill then said, “I’m not attracted to lazy people or sorry people or people who don’t want to get involved.”

If you’re too sorry or lazy to get up off of your rear and to go register to vote, or to register electronically, and then to go vote, then you don’t deserve that privilege. As long as I’m Secretary of State of Alabama, you’re going to have to show some initiative to become a registered voter in this state."



TL/DR: According to one of the main people responsible for running in elections in Alabamam, if you aren't willing to actually take a beating in order to vote, you're no better than those lazy millennials with the god damn participation trophies.
11-02-2016 , 08:21 PM
Maybe more appropriate....

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsjefe
I'm of the thought that people just suck. Every last one of us for one reason or another. The people who suck the least have a base awareness as to why they suck and try to limit the damage from that, but there aren't many of those.

I should find a #NoLivesMatter movement. Planet would be better off as a side effect.
11-02-2016 , 08:28 PM
butnahhhh there is an improbable hope in my heart




(voting scene from The Wire LFG)
11-02-2016 , 08:30 PM
curt mayfield party itt soda pop and potato chips
11-02-2016 , 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smrk2
Unless I get a reasonable explanation for this, I will no longer refresh 538.

Wednesday, Nov. 2, at 7:04 p.m. EDT
Clinton 67.6%Trump 32.3%


Missouri OCT. 27-NOV. 1 DFM Research
B-
508 LV
38%
47%
3%
Trump +9
Trump +11

Wednesday, Nov. 2, at 6:44 p.m.
Clinton 69.0%Trump 30.9%


Cliffs: 1.4% equity bump from just one B- poll in Missouri?
The odds are calculated from I think 20,000 sims. 20,000 isn't *that* much. So maybe the *real* odds were 31.4% before and 31.7% after. Clinton ran hot in the first sim, Trump in the latter.
11-02-2016 , 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
Great quotes from another article on that page Fly linked to. Meet the Secretary of State of Alabama:

"Asked about automatic registration for people who turn 18, Merrill responded, “I don’t think that just because your birthday comes around, that you ought to be registered to vote.” He then listed a litany of voting rights advocates—including Rep. John Lewis, Martin Luther King, and Rosa Parks—and declared:

These people fought—some of them were beaten, some of them were killed—because of their desire to ensure that everybody that wanted to had the right to register to vote and participate in the process. I’m not going to cheapen the work that they did. I’m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that’s too sorry to get up off of their rear end to go register to vote … because they think they deserve the right because they’ve turned 18.
(Lewis strongly supports automatic voter registration and is pushing a bill that would institute the initiative throughout the United States. In 1976, Lewis stood next to President Jimmy Carter as Carter unveiled his plan for nationwide automatic voter registration.)*

“To me,” Merrill continued, “that’s no different than giving them a trophy because they’ve played on the ball team.”

You only get a trophy if you win! And if you want to participate in the process, there’s a system for doing that. And we want to make sure that they have the ability to do that. And we’re going to help them have the opportunity to do it. But just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right to do anything.
Merrill then said, “I’m not attracted to lazy people or sorry people or people who don’t want to get involved.”

If you’re too sorry or lazy to get up off of your rear and to go register to vote, or to register electronically, and then to go vote, then you don’t deserve that privilege. As long as I’m Secretary of State of Alabama, you’re going to have to show some initiative to become a registered voter in this state."



TL/DR: According to one of the main people responsible for running in elections in Alabamam, if you aren't willing to actually take a beating in order to vote, you're no better than those lazy millennials with the god damn participation trophies.
Appropriating civil right leaders in order to do the things they explicitly advocated against since 1964
11-02-2016 , 08:35 PM
So, I can vote tomorrow.

Exactly what is on the ballot... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, the actual official site for the state literally has 'click here for more information' <404>. Good job, South Carolina.
11-02-2016 , 08:38 PM
A week old, but I just saw this linked in a NYT article and don't think it was posted here before - White Trump voters more likely to oppose mortgage relief program when it's presented with a photo of a black person

Quote:
But among Trump supporters, the relationship was reversed. Fifty-nine percent of respondents who saw the picture of the black man said they opposed the program, compared with just 51 percent among people assigned to the white condition. In other words, respondents were more hostile toward the program when they had seen the photo of a black man.
Inso0 be like "hurr durr dumb liberals seeing race everywhere"
11-02-2016 , 08:39 PM
I'd love to have an election forecast model that builds in early voting as it happens. Seems like a huge chunk of data that just goes mostly untouched. We're still relying on polls and assumptions when 20% of the electorate in some states has already voted.
11-02-2016 , 08:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RV Life
One thing that disturbs me is that these polls are still going up and down. Like, WTF people. This is a presidential election, not deciding if you want a donut or croissant for breakfast. It terrifies me that people are changing their minds on a daily basis based on what's on the telly while cramming cheetos down their gullets as fast as they can.

Like, if you want to vote for Trump, I get it. You are a moron but I get it. Make America Great Again is a catchy slogan when you don't want to pay attention to what's going on in the real world. If you want to vote for Clinton, fine. Trump's a crazy person and he shouldn't be in the White House. But how the **** are you still undecided on this? To the point where on Monday, you think Clinton will get your vote. But dammit man, Tuesday's feeling a bit Trumpy to me. What to do!?

I just don't get it.
I really dont think there is much of this (I know enough clowns IRL to know there is some). I think poll fluctuations reflect enthusiasm fluctuations and agree with Sam Wang that the race has remained pretty much stable throughout.
11-02-2016 , 08:45 PM
That voting purge **** makes me ****ing furious. Every 4 years we go through the same crap and nobody does ****. Suck a dick. Eat my ass you vote purging scum.
11-02-2016 , 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by goofyballer
A week old, but I just saw this linked in a NYT article and don't think it was posted here before - White Trump voters more likely to oppose mortgage relief program when it's presented with a photo of a black person



Inso0 be like "hurr durr dumb liberals seeing race everywhere"
The typical dumb right wingery response to these kinds of things (e.g., white people show hostility to things when associated with black people) is that it's black people's fault for committing so many crimes and doing so much thuggery that white people get upset when they see black people doing neutral things.
11-02-2016 , 08:57 PM
Screw this, I'm officially freaking out now that goofball isn't 100% any more.
11-02-2016 , 08:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by einbert
If Trump wins (he won't) the American people are to blame. You can't lay this on the media or Farrakhan (wtf?) or anybody else. The people of a democracy have a responsibility to have at least a basic level of civic awareness and engagement. If they vote for Trump, Trump is exactly what they deserve.

Unfortunately the media has failed to examine the consequences of a Trump victory. But still, the fault lies with the voters.
Yes. If Trump wins, the blame is 99% on American people. They will never be called out properly. After the first year, when it becomes super obvious that his presidency is a catastrophe, we will see blame go to the media, Russia, Comey, Clinton for being secretive, Clinton for putting on a bad campaign (she didn't), everyone but the innocent, precious voters. Bull****. These stupid mother ****ers need to be called to the carpet.
11-02-2016 , 09:01 PM
The media has been an absolute joke of course, but at this point it is very clear what this man is. Ignorant, narcissistic, bigoted, stupid, petty, volatile, childish, misogynistic, the list goes on. The sad fact is that this country is full of awful people. I mean, I still think he will lose, but the fact that it is even in doubt is an indictment of how ****ed up this country is.
11-02-2016 , 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vecernicek
The AA vote suppression is making me sick, and I don't even know the extent to which it's true. America is so gross right now. If this is true though, how is this not the #1 issue in every news medium right now?
Are you new to politics? In the USA some things are strictly forbidden, like using racial slurs, unless you do it in the right way, like using it against Natives.

Same goes for election rigging. If you prevent 2 or 3 million legitimate voters from getting to the polls that's A-Ok these days. One illegitimate voter making it to the polls who wasn't supposed to though, that's cause for concern.
11-02-2016 , 09:06 PM
The article I pulled that link from is worth a read: Trump's Inconvenient Racial Truth

Its thesis is:

Quote:
What I am saying is that when Trump claims Democratic governance has failed black people, when he asks “the blacks” what they have to lose, he is asking a poorly stated version of a question that many black Americans have long asked themselves. What dividends, exactly, has their decades-long loyalty to the Democratic ticket paid them? By brushing Trump’s criticism off as merely cynical or clueless rantings, we are missing an opportunity to have a real discussion of the failures of progressivism and Democratic leadership when it comes to black Americans.
Quote:
But since Johnson left office, Democrats have done little to address the systemic issues — housing and school segregation — that keep so many black Americans in economic distress and that make true equality elusive.
...
Instead of seeking aggressive racial-equality initiatives, Democrats too often have opted for a sort of trickle-down liberalism. If we work to strengthen unions, that will trickle down to you. If we work to strengthen health care, that will trickle down to you. If we work to make all schools better, that will trickle down to you. After decades of Democratic loyalty, too many black Americans are still awaiting that trickle.
Also with lots of stuff about the different ways we talk about the problems of black people vs white people. I'm reversing the order of these two passages but the second really solidifies the first:

Quote:
I will never forget how in February 2013, President Obama flew to Chicago to give a speech that touched on gun violence. He spoke of the random shooting of Hadiya Pendleton, a Chicago teenager who had performed at his inaugural events. “There’s no more important ingredient for success, nothing that would be more important for us reducing violence than strong, stable families — which means we should do more to promote marriage and encourage fatherhood,” Obama told the predominantly black audience. But two months earlier, when he gave a speech about the Newtown shooting, he’d said no such thing about fathers and marriage, even though that violent act was carried out by a young white man from a broken home. Instead, he emphasized Congress’s inability to pass gun control. The message: Black killings are the black community’s fault; white killings are a failure of government.
Quote:
Politicians regularly deploy this type of shaming when referring to, or even when addressing, black Americans. But it’s hard to fathom a politician, Democrat or Republican, standing before a predominately white crowd in a sagging old coal town, and blaming the community’s economic woes on poor parenting or lack of work ethic or a victim mentality. Those Americans, white Americans, are worthy of government help. Their problems are not of their own making, but systemic, institutional, out of their control. They are never blamed for their lot in life. They have had jobs snatched away by bad federal policy, their opportunities stolen by inept politicians.
11-02-2016 , 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverman
The media has been an absolute joke of course, but at this point it is very clear what this man is. Ignorant, narcissistic, bigoted, stupid, petty, volatile, childish, misogynistic, the list goes on. The sad fact is that this country is full of awful people. I mean, I still think he will lose, but the fact that it is even in doubt is an indictment of how ****ed up this country is.
It's also important to note that he's senile


      
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