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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-01-2016 , 03:16 PM
Yeah there were GOP Elected officials calling for Obama to be IMPEACHED because of passing Obamacare or something. If Hillary says the word "classified" during any public or private speech, they'll have hearings in an instant.
11-01-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GBP04
I mean she repeatedly testified that she turned over all of her work related emails. yes of course things would be an absolute slam dunk if they could prove obstruction. But if they can't prove blatant intent you don't just automatically get off. You don't think it's very bad for Hillary if it turns out that she had work related emails that she did not turn over??? she didn't even qualify her testimony.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-on-benghazi/
Don't we already know there were work related emails not initially turned over according to Comey? Maybe I am not remembering that correctly. How are these going to be any different that the ones they already announced they weren't prosecuting her for.

Looks like my memory is probably not failing me after all. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rn-over-uh-oh/
11-01-2016 , 03:19 PM
That article is just assertions, it's missing citations. Tradition and precedent are no barrier to today's gop. So would the Supremes stop them? It's not clear they have that power. It will be an interesting prop market.
11-01-2016 , 03:22 PM


seems like drumpf's absolute best case scenario

his best bet to win something else to put him over the top is probably NH, gl w that



ofc IRL she'll probably ship one or more of NC, FLA, NV, AZ, OH etc
11-01-2016 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
Don't we already know there were work related emails not initially turned over according to Comey? Maybe I am not remembering that correctly. How are these going to be any different that the ones they already announced they weren't prosecuting her for.

Looks like my memory is probably not failing me after all. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rn-over-uh-oh/
ah that is true. I suppose some sort of intentional obstruction would be necessary given the precedent.
11-01-2016 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Quite implausible. Anything the house views as high crimes and misdemeanors is fair game. It's up to them, there is no review.
Well, the Supreme Court can review.
11-01-2016 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The reporter's facial expressions make this gold.

Black guy went from shock to spending 1 minute making all sorts of facial expressions to stop himself from laughing and then says to himself, "**** it" and cracks a wide open smile when she starts talking about Jesus.

Woman stays composed early but head goes down when she says something stupid and practically buries her face in her hands when she goes on about Clinton like, "I can't believe these people are choosing who runs the world." She then seems to almost be praying that this woman gets her head out of her ass at the end.
I know right? Thanks for commenting on my post.
11-01-2016 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Could she be impeached? Not according to historical precedent, no.

Presidents can only be impeached for actions committed during their presidency. Alleged crimes committed before a president takes office were never considered impeachable offences.

Yet some scholars argue that Article II, section 4 of the constitution provides no limitation – and there is nothing to prevent a new and different congress from taking a completely different view.

It would, however, be highly unlikely to go against centuries of tradition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-becomes-pre/
Lol at the naïveté here, they'll burn things to the ground if they have to
11-01-2016 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GBP04
I mean she repeatedly testified that she turned over all of her work related emails. yes of course things would be an absolute slam dunk if they could prove obstruction. But if they can't prove blatant intent you don't just automatically get off. You don't think it's very bad for Hillary if it turns out that she had work related emails that she did not turn over??? she didn't even qualify her testimony.
They've already found work-related emails that she didn't turn over. So, no, it isn't a problem.

From Comey's July statement:

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I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them. Our assessment is that, like many e-mail users, Secretary Clinton periodically deleted e-mails or e-mails were purged from the system when devices were changed. Because she was not using a government account—or even a commercial account like Gmail—there was no archiving at all of her e-mails, so it is not surprising that we discovered e-mails that were not on Secretary Clinton’s system in 2014, when she produced the 30,000 e-mails to the State Department.
11-01-2016 , 03:36 PM
Apart from it being possible i think it would be a move that is too crazy even for gop. I think ppl need to factor in that there likely is political consequences of going ham on the first female president. Its the same with those who think gop will actually wait 4 years before giving a supreme court hearing. Its a difference in what the consitution might allow as to what you can survive doing in politics.
11-01-2016 , 03:37 PM
Last week's deployment of D heavy hitters should be: one Obama to NC, one Obama to CO, Sanders/Warren should be going between MI/NH, Kaine/Biden PA. Maybe Bill can do something in FL or NV. Hillary can do whatevez.
11-01-2016 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Apart from it being possible i think it would be a move that is too crazy even for gop. I think ppl need to factor in that there likely is political consequences of going ham on the first female president. Its the same with those who think gop will actually wait 4 years before giving a supreme court hearing. Its a difference in what the consitution might allow as to what you can survive doing in politics.

Donald Trump is running for president.

Nothing is too crazy for the GOP.

Nothing.
11-01-2016 , 03:39 PM
When Clinton wins in a week, how will the failure of the 25 year effort on the part of the republican party to bring her down stack up against other all time political failures? Is there even one that compares?
11-01-2016 , 03:40 PM
Can we just make a "post your stupid hopeful speculation about the emails here" threat so that GBP stops making this one worse"
11-01-2016 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by goofball
When Clinton wins in a week, how will the failure of the 25 year effort on the part of the republican party to bring her down stack up against other all time political failures? Is there even one that compares?
Rome never conquering Germania?
11-01-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by goofball
When Clinton wins in a week, how will the failure of the 25 year effort on the part of the republican party to bring her down stack up against other all time political failures? Is there even one that compares?
Its not like they are gonna give up.
11-01-2016 , 03:51 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...tion-marc-rich

What's going on at the FBI?
11-01-2016 , 03:53 PM
Starting to think maybe a Trump victory will be better in the long run than a narrow Clinton victory. After 2 years of Trump disaster, the 2018 midterms will usher in a sane congress. Then in 2020 we might get enough of a mandate to fix Obamacare/add a public option/single-payer.

OTOH a narrow Clinton win where Republicans keep both houses is going to be absolute ****-show, guaranteed slaughter in the 2018 mid-terms (HilLIARy refused to compromise on ANYTHING!), and president Cruzgeddon in 2020 with a filibuster-proof senate majority.

How much damage can Trump really do in 4 years? Maybe the hit is worth it to break out of this insanity. W/o a Republican president to **** things up, the crazies are just going to get angrier and angrier every 4 years.
11-01-2016 , 03:56 PM
**** no a Trump victory for a day is a failure greater than any failure this country has ever been a part of. It's like stacking 37 Vietnams on top of one another. Want no part of this scumbag and his family near the White House. Embarrassed to even call myself American after watching this election unfold. We have to be better than this, right? Riiiiiight?
11-01-2016 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerjunkie101
Is it just conservatives who get rounded up into FEMA camps or do her useful idiots who do her bidding get rounded up too?

As a Trump fanboy I can accept hildog being elected if SJW liberal snowflakes get rounded up too, then I can at least die happy.
Trump supporters: Doesn't so much actually care about the results of the election, just wants to see people who would ask him to treat others with basic human decency hurt.
11-01-2016 , 03:57 PM
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Starting to think maybe a Trump victory will be better in the long run than a narrow Clinton victory.
Supreme Court, tho.

Plus, GOP civil war will be fun to watch and help to mitigate other problems for Dems.
11-01-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Paramecium
Starting to think maybe a Trump victory will be better in the long run than a narrow Clinton victory. After 2 years of Trump disaster, the 2018 midterms will usher in a sane congress. Then in 2020 we might get enough of a mandate to fix Obamacare/add a public option/single-payer.

OTOH a narrow Clinton win where Republicans keep both houses is going to be absolute ****-show, guaranteed slaughter in the 2018 mid-terms, and president Cruzgeddon in 2020 with a filibuster-proof senate majority.

How much damage can Trump really do in 4 years? Maybe the hit is worth it to break out of this insanity. W/o a Republican president to **** things up, the crazies are just going to get angrier and angrier every 4 years.
This is dangerously wrong. What chance does the US President have of facing a serious foreign policy crisis. Maybe 30%? It is intolerable run that kind of risk with Trump in the White House.
11-01-2016 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by goofball
This. My model does this, PEC does this, I'm sure Upshot does this although minimal research on my part hasn't revealed a ton about their methodology. No model that treats state outcomes as independent should be taken seriously.
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I'm not sure what you mean here. Any model that is based on state polls will automatically have correlations between states because the polls themselves are correlated. But I don't think PEC, for example, adds in any extra covariance "by hand" because it wouldn't make a big enough difference.
11-01-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Starting to think maybe a Trump victory will be better in the long run than a narrow Clinton victory. After 2 years of Trump disaster, the 2018 midterms will usher in a sane congress. Then in 2020 we might get enough of a mandate to fix Obamacare/add a public option/single-payer.
Well this is ****ing stupid.

I think it's lunacy to assume much at all about 2020 at this point. Certiain it's far too up in the air to want to ellect Trump now to insulate against what you might think could maybe happen in the future.

The idea that we can tolerate two years of Trump for gains elsewhere is flat dangerous. Trump could have us all dead in 2 years.

ETA- this is also a pretty good example of White Privilege. A Trump win might not impact you now, it will for women, gays and people of color.

Last edited by Dids; 11-01-2016 at 04:10 PM.
11-01-2016 , 04:00 PM
The idea that is the race is close is being propagated by the media in order to keep their ratings up. Blowouts don't bring in ratings.

It's been over and that will not change. If you're a gambler and aren't pounding away those odds on Hillary on PW you're missing out.

Right now whether the Dems get the Senate will be interesting.

      
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