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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-01-2016 , 09:24 AM
I do think that there are some voters who may wait for election day and reluctantly vote for Trump but want to make sure there isn't a November surprise. (for example: a Trump n-word tape).
11-01-2016 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I'm legit worried about North Carolina, polls there be damned

https://thinkprogress.org/north-caro...80d#.1tu2qarwr

The North Carolina GOP, by way of various county election supervisors, is working overtime to suppress the black vote. Various (mostly black ldo) NC counties have seen early voting drop from between 50% and 85% (!). NAACP is threatening to sue but whatever happens it won't happen fast enough to change the election outcome.
The 50-80% deals with the fact that they opened just one polling location in various counties. in most counties that didnt do that, turnout was above 2012. In those that did, they opened up more locations last Thursday. And so they have souls to the polls for the first time there last Sunday (note the article is 5 days old).

edit- it was and will be the only "souls to the polls". Early voting ends 11/5 on Sat. Read http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...-voting-230573

Last edited by anatta; 11-01-2016 at 09:33 AM.
11-01-2016 , 09:27 AM
The most disturbing part of this article isn't even where a sitting Senator tells gun owners they need to "put a bullseye" on Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politi...ers/index.html
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But he also bluntly said that if Clinton is elected, he will do everything in his power to deny her the right to fill the vacant Supreme Court slot, aligning himself with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's position on the issue.

"Well, my answer to you would be it isn't going to happen -- period," Burr said when asked about the prospects of President Barack Obama's nominee, Merrick Garland, being confirmed in the lame-duck session of Congress.

Burr added: "And if Hillary Clinton becomes president, I am going to do everything I can do to make sure four years from now, we still got an opening on the Supreme Court."
11-01-2016 , 09:28 AM
The WAPO tracking poll has Clinton favorables more negative than Trump and 36 percent of likely voters dislike both. That seems like a poll that is both volatile and skews Trump.
11-01-2016 , 09:32 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...-voting-230573

more info in NC early voting
11-01-2016 , 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlelou
The WAPO tracking poll has Clinton favorables more negative than Trump and 36 percent of likely voters dislike both. That seems like a poll that is both volatile and skews Trump.
The national tracking polls today were great for trump the state polls show him down at huge levels in Pennsylvania, Virginia and others. I'd put them as a wash and say nothings changed. She's maybe lost a point or two at most and it's 3 to 3.5 nationally. Trump is never getting 47% though.
11-01-2016 , 09:33 AM
As far as the economics dispute I think the real risk of having interest rates this low for this long is not inflation but a massive increase in overall debt (which has occurred since 2008 both at the individual and government level) and also the fact there are no interest rate decreases available to the Fed for the next economic shock. Both of those things have consequences but you won't see them until the next big economic crisis occurs.

As far as inflation goes, it has largely been balanced out by the QE simply maintaining the pre-2008 level of consumption. As mentioned median household incomes are less than they were 15-20 years ago when adjusted for inflation so the average household has less ability to consume only supplemented currently by cheap debt.

To head off the strawman at the pass the economy is much better than 2008 and the people responsible for that deserve credit. My point is just that the economy, while better, will likely face some significant challenges going forward.
11-01-2016 , 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlelou
The WAPO tracking poll has Clinton favorables more negative than Trump and 36 percent of likely voters dislike both. That seems like a poll that is both volatile and skews Trump.
My problem with that poll isn't that it's Trump +1, it's that it started HRC +12.

It's one thing to be the LA Times where it began Trump++ and you can at least follow the trends +/- 4 points or so one direction or the other, but it's totally something else to trend 13 points in one direction in one to two weeks.
11-01-2016 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
And that's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
nh, a bit ashamed that I got it.
11-01-2016 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
My problem with that poll isn't that it's Trump +1, it's that it started HRC +12.

It's one thing to be the LA Times where it began Trump++ and you can at least follow the trends +/- 4 points or so one direction or the other, but it's totally something else to trend 13 points in one direction in one to two weeks.
Haven't studied it deeply but it seems like Trump's numberhas went from 39 to 46 in the last week, and Clinton from 48 to 45. Seems just highly sensitive to this enthusiasm question:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=43199459

...and it's feeding into their results.

Also note Romney was +1 in this same poll 1 week out in 2012 and then swung to Obama +3 in its final iteration. Just a swongy poll imo.

11-01-2016 , 09:40 AM
I wrote a quick guide to early-reporting states in the election for friends who are following it and know nothing of American politics. I'll repost this in the gameday thread. Knowledgeable people feel free to tell me if I'm wrong:

The three Eastern states to watch are Pennsylvania (PA), New Hampshire (NH) and North Carolina (NC):

- Winning PA + NC means Clinton is 99.9% to win (this is the most likely scenario).
- Winning PA + NH (but not NC) leaves Clinton around 90% to win.
- PA alone reduces Clinton to a slight favourite.
- Losing PA but winning NC is far from ideal but might be OK still.
- Losing PA + NC would make Clinton a huge underdog. This is the scenario where Clinton would need to scrounge up a win in Florida, the problem is that losing PA + NC heavily implies that Florida is also not going to go well.
11-01-2016 , 09:42 AM
All that tracking poll shows is that there probably has been somewhat of a shift towards trump in the last week or so. Actual polls like the nbc poll yesterday show a slight shift as well but still have a large HRC lead. I think it is safe to assume she still will win by 3-5 pts in the popular vote and cruise to a fairly easy electoral college win. Nothing about the state polling or early voting numbers I have seen have led me to believe otherwise.
11-01-2016 , 09:42 AM
From PA early vote 2012 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...mes-E-DAY-GOTV
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Overall, an estimated 1,455,277 votes have been cast for President Obama and an estimated 1,286,823 votes have been cast for Mitt Romney, giving Obama an estimated 168,455 vote margin, or a 53.1%-46.9% lead, with roughly 59.6% of the vote in
From Today
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Democrats are now ahead of Republicans by 13.5 percent in the early vote

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Seems to suggest that 60% will vote early. Idk if that is correct or if the above 2012 was the absolute final number. But it seems like Dems up 6.2 in 2012, and 13.5 now.
11-01-2016 , 09:43 AM
Regarding the Christian right

Much of the reaction against a significant movement for a constitutional amendment to allow prayer in school in the late 60's was from religious leaders who didn't approve of prayer so shallow and generic (in order to be so non-denomenational) that it was a mockery of religion.

On the other side was a large mix of mountebanks, people mad about civil rights, people terrified of godless communists, and politicians pandering for votes or caving into pressure who insisted on people being vaguely but devoutly religious and how that was American way.

(One Nation Under God by Kevin Kruse)

Last edited by microbet; 11-01-2016 at 09:50 AM.
11-01-2016 , 09:49 AM
Are the Obama's scheduled to stop in NC? Seems like they should be. Michelle one day and Barrack the next.
11-01-2016 , 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by einbert
The most disturbing part of this article isn't even where a sitting Senator tells gun owners they need to "put a bullseye" on Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politi...ers/index.html
Today I'm going to go into work and tell my boss to **** off when he asks me to do an essential function of my job. I'm sure I shouldnt have any problem keeping my position after that, right?
11-01-2016 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Are the Obama's scheduled to stop in NC? Seems like they should be. Michelle one day and Barrack the next.
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Over the next week, both President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are expected to campaign in North Carolina, building on visits from Bill Clinton, Michelle Obama, and Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, who have all been in the state in the last week or so. The Clinton campaign has also launched aggressive advertising campaigns on African-American radio stations and in black newspapers, in addition to their extensive outreach efforts at churches and historically black colleges.
A Clinton adviser stressed that a robust surrogate operation would continue in the state’s African American communities through Election Day, even though there is no early voting allowed next Sunday.


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11-01-2016 , 09:55 AM
this week is going to be interminable
11-01-2016 , 09:56 AM
Thanks Anatta.
11-01-2016 , 09:57 AM
6. Trump University fraud case hits courtroom this month

7. Donald J. Trump rape case hits courtroom next month
11-01-2016 , 09:58 AM
Bernie is on a 12! state blitz. Started in NH at 2 colleges and a high school in one day.

Trump was in New Mexico, and MI then WI...
11-01-2016 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Finetome
1. Hillary hits an all time low. passes trump in unfavorable ratings making history not once but twice in the same election cycle.

2. 3 archives supposedly filled with hc emails are found on mr weiners computer in a file saved as "life insurance". the file name probably fabricated but its still hilarious.

3. 5 separate FBI offices are now investing hillary / the foundation.

4. The DNC chair and a CNN employee is being fired (from both?) for leaking debate questions to hillary. you know its a really hot potato when even CNN wont spin it.

5. in light of everything the obamas have edited their twitters.

popcorn. what a great week to be a hillary supporter.
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11-01-2016 , 10:01 AM
assuming the democrats retake the senate RGB, Breyer, and Kennedy need to retire within the next like 4 months
11-01-2016 , 10:01 AM
Giant Meteor 2016.
11-01-2016 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
6. Trump University fraud case hits courtroom this month

7. Donald J. Trump rape case hits courtroom next month
Those take place after election day fwiw.

Is this what we have to look forward to the next 4 years?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-families.html

      
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