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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-01-2016 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Obama accomplished all the outlandish economic goals Mitt Romney promised when he was running for President in 2012. Very low unemployment, steady growth, and a solid recovery overall. But since Democrats can never get credit for anything, the right wing has decided the numbers are fake, BLS is in the tank for Obama, and the truth is unemployment is north of 25%. It's just another way of delegitimizing the Democratic party.
Read what I wrote above.

Republicans can say what they want and democrats can say what they want about numbers. But the real number that matters that shows how horrible the economy really is is the fact that the Fed CAN'T even raise interest rates a minuscule 1/4th of 1 single point.

We are in the biggest bubble in human history. Sure things might SEEM alright, but when the monetary heroin stops and this bubble pops it will be absolute mayhem. You can't have interest rates suppressed at 0% for almost a decade and not have it end in economic disaster.

Heck, Obama and company have done the same thing as Bush except on a bigger level than Bush. Bush blew up a big bubble with 1% interest rate, and its popping resulted in 2008 crisis, and Obama is blowing it up even bigger than Bush with 0% interest rates and the resulting fallout will be much worse than 2008 crisis.
11-01-2016 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerjunkie101
Read what I wrote above.

Republicans can say what they want and democrats can say what they want about numbers. But the real number that matters that shows how horrible the economy really is is the fact that the Fed CAN'T even raise interest rates a minuscule 1/4th of 1 single point.

We are in the biggest bubble in human history. Sure things might SEEM alright, but when the monetary heroin stops and this bubble pops it will be absolute mayhem. You can't have interest rates suppressed at 0% for almost a decade and not have it end in economic disaster.

Heck, Obama and company have done the same thing as Bush except on a bigger level than Bush. Bush blew up a big bubble with 1% interest rate, and its popping resulted in 2008 crisis, and Obama is blowing it up even bigger than Bush with 0% interest rates and the resulting fallout will be much worse than 2008 crisis.
Oh, go away.

11-01-2016 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerjunkie101
Economy has grown steadily? Nonsense. We haven't even had a real economic recovery. Fed can't even raise interest rates a microscopic 1/4th of 1 single point and have been bluffing for over 2 years on raising it that tiny amount. This fake recovery has been papered over with suppressed 0% interest rates and QE infinity which has resulted in us being in a bigger bubble than the housing bubble and tech bubble combined.

At least you admit there will be a recession/correction, but it seems like you think it will be just a typical run of the mill recession and you are way off. Holding interest rates as low as they have for as long as they have and going into more debt to fuel consumption will assuredly result in a sovereign debt collapse and currency crisis, and we will be much worse off than we were during the great depression.

I don't think you understand that horrific serious economic imbalances in this country as a result of all the monetary heroin that has been injected into the system since 2008. The govt wouldn't let us have a recession and a recession is part of the cure. And the comedown is going to be multiple times worse than if we took our medicine back in 08 and let the free market re-work without the govt getting involved.
People against QE have been proven wrong many times. There was no massive inflation. The Dollar didn't drop by 20%, but actually got stronger. I doubt there is a bubble.

Not that QE won't cause problems--it might. But recessions aren't "cures." The great recession was an enormous overreaction--more like undergoing chemo for a sunburn.
11-01-2016 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Because he's down 15 in Pennsylvania and 5 in nc/nv?
(And it's a tracking poll)
What poll has him down 15 in Pa?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tein-5964.html

or 5 in NC?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nson-5951.html

or 5 in NV?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nson-6004.html

Last edited by raradevils; 11-01-2016 at 08:59 AM. Reason: added the nv polling
11-01-2016 , 08:58 AM
But the only thing that matters is how much I have to pay in taxes!

11-01-2016 , 08:59 AM
This time 4 years ago Obama was losing in the rcp average. Hillary is up by nearly 3 pts.
11-01-2016 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
People against QE have been proven wrong many times. There was no massive inflation.
Well, the thing about QE is that once you start you can't stop. So when they launch QE4 the junkie will get its high and things will seem ok temporarily but things are really continuing to get worse. The economy isn't going to die from the disease but from the drugs administered to treat the disease. When we inevitably have a currency crisis you will then realize that all that QE was a bad idea and didn't work.

And the thing about inflation is you don't have it until you do.
11-01-2016 , 09:03 AM
Rara, the Penn poll is a Franklin and Marshall poll released today.

It's over, don't bedwet about one tracking poll.
11-01-2016 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
This time 4 years ago Obama was losing in the rcp average. Hillary is up by nearly 3 pts.

Obama losing on November 1 is surprising. I can recall giving up hope on Romney well before Election Day. Could have been Nate/forum analysis that convinced me that it was over a month out.
11-01-2016 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Because he's down 15 in Pennsylvania and 5 in nc/nv?
(And it's a tracking poll)
state poll data is like a week old on average or something like that. the national numbers are recent and if they move then the individual states will too.
11-01-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I doubt there is a bubble.
Probably said the same thing in 2006.
11-01-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
But the only thing that matters is how much I have to pay in taxes!

The article doesn't state why he was assaulted or what lead to it.
11-01-2016 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Because he's down 15 in Pennsylvania and 5 in nc/nv?
(And it's a tracking poll)
Paging adanthar/goofball----

Someone explain the difference between a tracking poll and a "normal" poll.

Is a tracking poll what the LA Times does? Where it has the same group of voters and continues to re-evaluate their opinions over a course of time? So if the initial group of voters is "off" the entirety of the data may be confounded?

My only opinion of that ABC News tracking poll is this; when it began it started with HRC + 12 and I was, nope. And now it's Trump + 1. I will sleep in the bed that I started with, and continue to say, nope. There's no scenario for HRC (or Trump for that matter) has done anything to cause a 13 point swing. It's just cannot be correct.
11-01-2016 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
state poll data is like a week old on average or something like that. the national numbers are recent and if they move then the individual states will too.
Again, it was a poll released today and all the calls were from the last 3 days. The NC and NV numbers are based off early voting. It is over. It's been over a while. Still gotv and don't be complacent tho.
11-01-2016 , 09:08 AM
Have there been any polls taken after the FBI's re-opening the investigation?
11-01-2016 , 09:08 AM
I'm legit worried about North Carolina, polls there be damned

https://thinkprogress.org/north-caro...80d#.1tu2qarwr

The North Carolina GOP, by way of various county election supervisors, is working overtime to suppress the black vote. Various (mostly black ldo) NC counties have seen early voting drop from between 50% and 85% (!). NAACP is threatening to sue but whatever happens it won't happen fast enough to change the election outcome.
11-01-2016 , 09:09 AM
People really need to get rid of the idea that these born again Christians are good people. Many became born again after living a very ****ty existence and the only thing that has kept them from killing themselves in one way or another is Jesus Christ Amen. Their underlying character traits did not change, therefore it's really no surprise to me that many support Trump.
11-01-2016 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Paging adanthar/goofball----

My only opinion of that ABC News tracking poll is this; when it began it started with HRC + 12 and I was, nope. And now it's Trump + 1. I will sleep in the bed that I started with, and continue to say, nope. There's no scenario for HRC (or Trump for that matter) has done anything to cause a 13 point swing. It's just cannot be correct.
You would be correct. These polls routinely find these sorts of swings, which anyone with common sense can see is garbage.

Rara, lots of polling done over the weekend including trump down double digits in Pennsylvania
11-01-2016 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I'm legit worried about North Carolina, polls there be damned

https://thinkprogress.org/north-caro...80d#.1tu2qarwr

The North Carolina GOP, by way of various county election supervisors, is working overtime to suppress the black vote. Various (mostly black ldo) NC counties have seen early voting drop from between 50% and 85% (!). NAACP is threatening to sue but whatever happens it won't happen fast enough to change the election outcome.
Yup they are fighting back the only way they know how. By suppressing the democratic process. And it appears to very much be working.
11-01-2016 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by plzd0nate
People really need to get rid of the idea that these born again Christians are good people. Many became born again after living a very ****ty existence and the only thing that has kept them from killing themselves in one way or another is Jesus Christ Amen. Their underlying character traits did not change, therefore it's really no surprise to me that many support Trump.
So much this. Here in Alabama, calling yourself a Christian really just means "I don't care to be a social pariah." It has absolutely no meaning beyond that.
11-01-2016 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Yup they are fighting back the only way they know how.
And that's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
11-01-2016 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I'm legit worried about North Carolina, polls there be damned

https://thinkprogress.org/north-caro...80d#.1tu2qarwr

The North Carolina GOP, by way of various county election supervisors, is working overtime to suppress the black vote. Various (mostly black ldo) NC counties have seen early voting drop from between 50% and 85% (!). NAACP is threatening to sue but whatever happens it won't happen fast enough to change the election outcome.

Wouldn't Hillary being ahead in early voting despite this be a good or very good thing though?
11-01-2016 , 09:20 AM
Washington post tracking poll today has Trump +1
11-01-2016 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
Wouldn't Hillary being ahead in early voting despite this be a good or very good thing though?
I think that point is obv good-to-very-good, but considering that GOP tends to vote more on election day than in early voting and she needs to be like way ahead to counteract whatever happens on election day.
11-01-2016 , 09:23 AM
Also a lawsuit isn't going to help people who have been voting for decades, show up to vote and voila! they've been purged from voter rolls and oh but you can't re-register this close to election day sorry bout your luck br0s

      
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