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09-06-2009 , 08:45 PM

#151

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damn i crushed col state 2h line with my biggest bet ever on cfb = auto loss

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09-06-2009 , 08:48 PM

#152

Ichabod1985

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Colorado/Colorado St Under 24 -105 2nd Half 1 Unit

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09-06-2009 , 10:33 PM

#153

FLO-RIDA13

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brutal. so unlucky. i was rooting for u.

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09-06-2009 , 10:33 PM

#154

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god couldn't he have just run faster or dive for the end zone from the 5 like every other college player

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09-06-2009 , 10:42 PM

#155

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Since it came up, this is what I posted about Zook in the off-season on an Illini forum

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I cannot speak for all Illini fans, I can just say that among my close circle, we like him and think he is about the best Illinois can get.

A grade for:
inspiring
recruiting

B grade for:
building up players skills
game planning
adjusting in-game

C grade for:
image of the university (too many arrests, but Zook says mostly the right things)

D grade for:
in-game management of score, timeouts, 4th down decisions, key play calls

Zook needs someone with the 30,000 foot view of the game. I liken it to Zook being our Santino "Sonny" Corleone who needs a good consigliere. Like Sonny, Zook is full of passion. Like Sonny, Zook does a good job of recruiting guys to the organization and filling the guys in the organization with that passion. Like Sonny, Zook gets too heated and loses his head when making decisions. Zook needs a good consigliere to add to his staff. He needs someone that doesn't let him accept the penalties at Iowa in 2007. He needs someone to tell him to kick the FG on 4th and 1 against UL-Lafayette in the 4th quarter to go up 3 scores. He needs someone to tell him the offense should be milking the clock up 17-10 in scoring position against UL-Lafayette with under 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. He needs someone to tell him that he might want to go for it on 4th down against Minnesota when 3 separate drives end with a kick on 4th and short in a game where the offense puts up over 500 yards. He needs someone to tell him his stack the box formation kind of ***** and the Juice bootleg on the one 4th down he went for it against Minnesota was a bad idea. Zook needs someone to tell him that we are not a power rushing team in the 8th game of the season at Wisconsin. He needs someone to tell him that running it 11 straight times on first down in Madison makes the offense too predictable. He needs someone to tell him that Benn should have been back to catch the punt and save 10 to 15 seconds on the clock plus massive yardage. Zook needs someone to tell him to not take the timeout with 29 seconds left against Iowa. Zook needs someone to tell him to not take 3 timeouts into the locker room at halftime against Western Michigan when the Broncos have 2nd and 12 or so from inside their own 10. Zook needs someone to tell him the Illini are not a power rushing team this year in their 10th game of the season against WMU. Zook needs someone to tell him to not use a timeout when Pryor runs out-of-bounds with 51 seconds left in the first half versus Ohio State.

There is no doubt that at least one victory was lost on-the-field in 2008 due to Zook's shortcomings in this area. In a year where the Illini fall one victory short of a bowl, that looms pretty large. It looms almost as large as the one victory short of the Big Ten title the Illini fell in 2007 (damn Iowa game).

However, given the history of the Illini program and, especially, where it was at in Turner's final year, one has to like Zook thus far. Illinois is a good coaching job, not a great one. To get a guy that does as many things right as Zook does is a positive. It's not like Illinois is sitting in the state of Ohio, Texas, California, or Florida with money trees of local talent to recruit. Zook does the one thing that is toughest at Illinois: he recruits top talent! I still have hope he will get better at game decisions with experience. There is some evidence for that. Otherwise, I hope someone can give him wise consults on key in-game decisions. Perhaps, Schultz can fill that role.

This is what I wrote after the Mizzou game on 2p2

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This is not just one game. This was the first game of a new OC who has had the players for many weeks of practice and months of preparation. We got to see it all in action. Guess what? The guy is absolutely awful. The time spent that should have been improving our players has been a big negative that needs to be undone. Worse, it's too late to undo it since the season has started.

Here comes a new OC for the Illini. You would think he would look at what the Illini have talent wise. You would think he would look at what the Illini have done well in the past and done poorly in the past. Sure, work on the weaknesses, but don't turn a thoroughbred into a donkey. It's not its nature. All the preseason 'experts' have glowing reviews of the Illini receivers. It was arguable that the Illini have the best set of receivers in the entire country. There is also a lot of discussion about the strength of #1 and #2 at the QB spot. The discussion centers around their big play potential and ability to run the ball in space out of the spread. Look at the guys on the team likely to be playing Sundays. Hoomanawanui will make it to Sundays. A few of the receivers will make it to Sundays. Perhaps, Asamoah and one or two of the younger line members will play on Sundays. Last year, the Illini ****** in power running situations. ******! Even with that, the Illini put up 439 yards per game and had the 2nd best yardage differential in the entire league. How did that happen? Oh yeah, because the Illini were full of big play potential with its receivers and had QBs that could run the spread option very effectively.

So, now you are Mike Schultz and hired for OC. You have all that in place. What do you do?
Do you turn the offense into short, timing routes that depend on an accurate QB who reads defenses well? Do you come up with some 3 back sets and other sets with one or no wideouts so that opponents don't have to worry about leaving a corner and safety help on the game breakers who will be playing in the NFL? Do you stop with the spread sets that get your QB out into space were he has succeeded over and over in the past?
YOU DO NONE OF THAT!
Yet, that is exactly what we saw yesterday. We saw an offense that had put the Mizzou defense on its heels over and over the last 2 years crippled. There were zero passes more than 20 yards down-the-filed. There were multiple failures running out of sets with no wideouts. The spread option seemed to be doing ok, but the OC bailed on it. We have to realize the last months have been wasted by the Illini players as they've learned a whole scheme that absolutely sucks. Do you think the Illini have a prayer against tOSU and Penn St running such garbage? The Illini have to go back and actively unlearn everything the OC has brought to the table. This is a failure of epic proportions (at least in college football--of course, it means diddly-poo in the overall realm of life). Instead of having people enable some of the most talented players Illinois has ever had, the Illini have an OC and a HC above him that have snuffed the life out of one of the best offenses in the conference.

This isn't one game. This is a whole off-season wasted. This is a scheme that cannot be ditched fast enough and will ruin the difficult start to the Big Ten season. This is Ron Zook cementing the reputation across the country as the Rose Bowl year being a fluke of luck (whether it's true or not). This is the end of the Ron Zook era. It might take a few years, but it's done.

The sad thing is that Illinois probably cannot do better.

Yeah, Zook should be fired, but Illinois really cannot do better. Well, they could, but it's not likely. The school was too cheap to go after a guy like Gus Malzahn in the offseason. Mike White and John Mackovic were good. Tepper was a disaster and destroyed a program that had some good momentum. Turner did below average. Zook looks to repeat Turner (but without the Big Ten title!).

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09-07-2009 , 08:27 AM

#156

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Zook reminds me of Ari Gold's agent buddy on Entourage who drove his car into his house. At least when he leaves Illinois, they should have some okay talent for whoever comes next.

Did you see any of the Auburn game? It is amazing how quickly Malzahn has turned that offense around. Chizik reminds me of Zook in a lot of ways. A great motivator with a lot of passion for the game that you don't really want making any decisions involving math or logic.

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09-07-2009 , 01:42 PM

#157

MyTurn2Raise

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yeah... I wanted Illinois to ship the vault to get Malzahn. I pimped him to their fanbase over and over. Alas, Illinois didn't want to spend that much, and I don't know if Malzahn wanted to leave the South.

I wonder if he would leave for a HC spot...

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09-07-2009 , 01:57 PM

#158

MyTurn2Raise

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Originally Posted by smbruin22

sorry, how many 9-4 seasons did illinois have in the last 30 years before zook got there?...... i was just saying his teams get alot of hype because he seems to recruit very well. i wasn't really disagreeing with you...

i didn't know about zook's personal profile though. very interesting.

FWIW, you're right in a big sense. Illinois football has been nothing since the slush fund scandal of 60s. However, Illinois fans don't expect the program to be up there with the Ohio States and Michigans of the world. What Illinois fans expect, and with good reason, is for the program to be .500 or above every year with a good shot at a Big Ten title if things fall right every 4 years or so. Why do they think this?

Well, Illinois is set up the best of the rest after Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Basically, the midwest has great recruiting in Ohio and Western PA. The rest of it is pretty meh. However, Illinois has the population base compared to the rest. Illinois could still afford to lose some recruits to Michigan and Notre Dame in the Chicago area, but still be ahead of Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan State, Purdue, and Indiana. After the big schools, Illinois should be set up best for recruiting. In addition, Illinois has the best media outlet. While Chicago is a split city, there is still no doubt that the Illini are the biggest presence in a huge television/media market. When Notre Dame is good, they get some good press. However, the Illini still get the larger column space and more time on the tube by a considerable margin over every other team. Illinois also beats out the other Big Ten wannabes on size and wealth of the alumni base. They did get a new stadium renovation through with the program sucking balls. Illinois fans basically expect to be the best of the rest. They don't have the natural recruiting base and huge in-state support of Ohio State and Penn State. They don't have the national recruiting base of Michigan. But, Illinois is set up slightly better than the other 7 schools in the conference. For the program to not be slightly above those schools, but, instead, be considerably lower than all but Indiana over the last 15 years is a huge failure. Basically, the fans expect the Illini to be what the program was through the Mike White and John Mackovic years. I think that is pretty realistic. Mike White came back to campus for the Spring game this year and was treated like a conquering hero.

for reference,
Mike White at Illinois
1980 Illinois 3-7-1 3-5 T-6th
1981 Illinois 7-4 6-3 T-3rd
1982 Illinois 7-5 6-3 4th L 15-21 Liberty Bowl
1983 Illinois 10-2 9-0 1st L 9-45 Rose Bowl
1984 Illinois 7-4 6-3 T-2nd
1985 Illinois 6-5-1 5-2-1 3rd L 29-31 Peach Bowl
1986 Illinois 4-7 3-5 T-6th
1987 Illinois 3-7-1 2-5-1 8th
Illinois: 47-41-3 40-26-2

John Mackovic at Illinois
Illinois (Big Ten Conference) (1988–1991)
1988 Illinois 6-5-1 5-2-1 4th L All-American
1989 Illinois 10-2-0 7-1 W Florida Citrus
1990 Illinois 8-4-0 6-2 1st-T L Hall of Fame
1991 Illinois 6-6-0 4-4 5th L John Hancock
Illinois: 30-17-1

and the 1984 no post-season is still bull****. Illinois got banned from post-season by the conference due to a player suing the league over an appeal for a medical redshirt year.

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09-07-2009 , 02:56 PM

#159

ShippityDooDah

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Rutgers-4.5 2u

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09-07-2009 , 05:32 PM

#160

ShippityDooDah

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yeah - I'll take this kick in the nuts as a sign to not get any more bright ideas

2009 4-5 (-1.05u)

L-2.9 - NCSU-3-115(2.5u)
W+0.5 - North Texas +17.5(0.5u)
W+2 - Boise -3(2u)
L-1.1 - Toledo+12(1u)
L-2.2 - Georgia+5(2u)
L-1.15 - Illinois-6.5-115(1u)
W+2.5 - Baylor+1(2.5u)
W+1.5 - Baylor+3(1.5u)
W+1 - Cal-21(1u)
W+1 - Cal-20.5(1u)
L-2.2 - Rutgers-4.5(2u)

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09-07-2009 , 05:41 PM

#161

Ichabod1985

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Cincinnati +1 2nd Half 2 Units

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09-07-2009 , 06:29 PM

#162

atrainpsu

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So Rutgers or Illinois for the most underwhelming performance of the week?

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09-07-2009 , 06:53 PM

#163

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My final week 1:
$25,800 bankroll
$5,369 wagered
$1,882 profit
35% return on investment ($ wagered)
7.3% overall return on bankroll

Ran super good in close games

Team Loc Opponent Spread % juice Site Wagered To Win Odds W/L +/- Eff Broll
Missouri n. Illinois 7 55 5% Phoenix 252.35 219.25 -115 1 219.25 25800
Tulane vs. Tulsa 14 54 5% Phoenix 263.39 239.64 -110 0 -263.64 25800
Cincinnati @ Rutgers 5.5 54 5% Phoenix 441.15 420.14 -105 1 420.14 25800
UCLA … SDSU u51 53 5% Phoenix 495 499.95 101 1 499.95 25800
FAU @ Nebraska 22 53 5% Phoenix 173.34 160.5 -108 0 -173.34 25800
Ole Miss @ Memphis -17 55 5% Phoenix 552.5 525 -105 1 525 25800
Ohio vs. Uconn 3.5 52.5 5% Phoenix 232.05 221 -105 0 -232.05 25800
Nevada @ Notre Dame 14.5 53 10% BoDog 100 90.91 -110 0 -100 25800
New Mex @ Texas A&M 14 53 1% Mbook 428 428 100 0 -428 25800
Ball St. vs. UNT -16 51 1% Mbook 335 351.75 105 0 -335 25800
UAB vs. Rice -5.5 53 5% Phoenix 282.45 269 -105 1 269 25800
Wash vs. LSU 17.5 52 1% Mbook 346 349.46 101 1 349.46 25800
Army @ EMU 6 52 5% P/MB 146.55 139 -105 1 139 25800
Baylor @ Wake 2.5 52 1% Mbook 418 439 105 1 439 25800
Syracuse vs. Minnesota 6.5 50 1% Mbook 286 309 108 1 309 25800
miami OH vs. Kentucky 15 51 1% Mbook 191 193.76 101 0 -191 25800
ULM @ Texas 41.5 50.8 1% Mbook 161 162.6 101 1 162.6 25800
Clemson vs. MTSU -18.5 51 1% Mbook 265 272.95 103 1 272.95 25800

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09-07-2009 , 07:55 PM

#164

Ichabod1985

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FSU/Miami Over 47 1 Unit

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09-07-2009 , 09:39 PM

#165

Ichabod1985

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FSU -3.5 2nd Half 1 Unit
FSU/Miami Over 23.5 2nd Half 1 Unit

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09-07-2009 , 11:45 PM

#166

Cinch

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Miami outright. Hold'em in the road. 1:24 to go.

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09-07-2009 , 11:51 PM

#167

Cinch

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FSU screwing it up at the goal line.

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09-08-2009 , 12:01 AM

#168

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ok, today was good......... won on both cincy and miami-F point spread and moneyline (lost small on both UNDERs i.e. games went OVER). that fsu-MF UNDER was gold for years, but i guess they didn't play for 2 years so alot changes.

basically break-even week. strong thursday/friday/monday and strong on alot of obscure games.

won't resurrect my old thread, but UNDER did really well this week. alot of first year QB's (and maybe coaches too - not sure about this stat) i think whereas last year there weren't nearly as many. of course, that doesn't explain boise-oregon, the most outrageous UNDER of the week.

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09-08-2009 , 02:03 PM

#169

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Originally Posted by atrainpsu

So Rutgers or Illinois for the most underwhelming performance of the week?

you left out Oregon... it was a 3some

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09-08-2009 , 04:33 PM

#170

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at least RU's one good season got them a 100 million dollar upgrade to their stadium and this awesomely huge TV

i'd like one for my house

http://i32.tinypic.com/ieilad.jpg

think they're broke though. they call me once a week asking for money