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11-10-2009 , 01:20 AM

#176

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Fedor threw rogers down a couple times. Size didn't seem to be much of an issue.

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11-10-2009 , 02:05 AM

#177

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Originally Posted by passion of da vice

alright buddy lets just drop it. im obviously misunderstanding what youre trying to say.

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11-10-2009 , 09:19 AM

#178

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Originally Posted by Youngplayer9

maybe thats more of a reason for a super HW, because theres obviously a weigh advantage when someone who cuts to 265 can lay on top of someone whos 230.

Well first I'm sure Fedor could make 205 if he lost the at least 15-20lbs of fat he has on him. He strikes me though as the type that won't fight once he feels his body is not at its peak anymore, so its not impossible that he wins his next 3-4 fights and retires.
I dont want to see a SHW division because I just don't think it effects that many guys. Someone like Jeff Monson gets screwed because he can't bulk up any more but also can't cut to 205 but most other guys can just put on weight or take off weight to get to 205.
That slo mo gif was sweet. Looks like the armbar was less Rogers defense and more fedors leg got caught on the cage.

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11-10-2009 , 03:24 PM

#179

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I counted 12 punches from Rogers in that ground and pound.

The first one was a short hammer that hit.

2nd one missed, 3rd one missed. The 4th & 5th ones hit.. 6 thru 12 all missed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv2aArAsau8 Go straight to 6:10 for the perfect overhead view seen in the very top animated gif.

The cage ABSOLUTELY prevented Fedor from getting that arm bar in .. If this was in a ring, it would of ended right there for certain. At 6:20, It was over for Rogers.

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11-10-2009 , 07:23 PM

#180

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Shortly after the cage prevents the armbar, fedor has to stop himself from kicking rogers in the face when he is on the ground, if the rules werent so ghey rogers would've had his head kicked off.

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11-10-2009 , 08:36 PM

#181

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I saw that too.

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11-11-2009 , 12:39 AM

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I like how in his first fight in a cage, Fedor demonstrates that the ring is superior

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11-11-2009 , 12:49 AM

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I like how in his first fight in a cage, Fedor demonstrates that the ring is superior

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11-11-2009 , 01:18 AM

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fedor is big boned and i honestly think he cant make 205.

people keep saying he's a small heavyweight but look at his bone structure and how big his upper body is.

sure he's only about 6 ft and 230 pounds but the fact is he's stronger than average heavyweights

lol so he cant shed like 15 of the 30 lbs hanging from his belly? If he cant make 205 its not cause hes "big boned". Im just saying

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11-11-2009 , 02:07 AM

#185

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

I like how in his first fight in a cage, Fedor demonstrates that the ring is superior

that's like proving 2=1

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11-11-2009 , 01:04 PM

#186

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Originally Posted by dodge_soaps

Shortly after the cage prevents the armbar, fedor has to stop himself from kicking rogers in the face when he is on the ground, if the rules werent so ghey rogers would've had his head kicked off.

That ghey rule is one that allows MMA to be sanctioned in the US.

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11-11-2009 , 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

I like how in his first fight in a cage, Fedor demonstrates that the ring is superior

Didn't you hear? The ring vs cage argument is over. Even Dream started using a cage.

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11-11-2009 , 07:48 PM

#188

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That ghey rule is one that allows MMA to be sanctioned in the US.

Does that mean it's not tha ghey? I understand it's for safety, but it starts being unrealistic. If they're on the street, Rogers ends up with a broken arm and brain damage.

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11-11-2009 , 08:48 PM

#189

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Originally Posted by dodge_soaps

Does that mean it's not tha ghey? I understand it's for safety, but it starts being unrealistic. If they're on the street, Rogers ends up with a broken arm and brain damage.

Its not meant to resemble a street fight.

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11-11-2009 , 08:50 PM

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Does that mean it's not tha ghey? I understand it's for safety, but it starts being unrealistic. If they're on the street, Rogers ends up with a broken arm and brain damage.

95% of jiu jitsu doesn't work "on the street." Try pulling guard in a "real" fight and see what it gets you. The "on the street" bit is completely irrelevant.

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11-11-2009 , 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Machinehead

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The cage prevented Rogers from getting Coleman'd, or at least from coming much closer.

As to the arbitrariness involved in ring vs cage: that's fine. I arbitrarily prefer seeing MMA more about technique than about brute

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11-12-2009 , 12:18 AM

#192

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95% of jiu jitsu doesn't work "on the street." Try pulling guard in a "real" fight and see what it gets you. The "on the street" bit is completely irrelevant.

didn't gracie guys, especially rickson, got famous because they never lost in a street fight?

im not trying to be an ass but i hear/read jiu jitsu works pretty well in 1 on 1 street fight.

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11-12-2009 , 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by soonkwon

didn't gracie guys, especially rickson, got famous because they never lost in a street fight?

im not trying to be an ass but i hear/read jiu jitsu works pretty well in 1 on 1 street fight.

Jiu Jitsu would work fine in a street fight. Especially against most street fight opponents (bar drunks or other idiots without any kind of fighting training).. The only problem you deal with in a street fight is you become very vulnerable to your opponents buddies when you are using it in the street. If you're about to snap their buddies arm off, they can bring their boots over and stomp your brains in.

If you strike and knock the guy on his ass, his friends won't be so quick to step in.

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11-12-2009 , 01:09 AM

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Specifically, I was only pointing out that if kicks were allowed to a downed opponent the fight was obviously over at that point. I believe mma is meant to resemble an all out, win by whatever means, fight for the most part. Obviously, things like biting and eye gouging shouldn't be allowed. Besides pulling guard on concrete/dirt, most other aspects of jiu jitsu work very well on the street. It's pretty easy to shoot a double leg, get half guard, and arm triangle a bigger opponent on the street. I really can't think of any elite fighters who pull guard very often anyway, maybe nog?

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11-12-2009 , 01:29 AM

#195

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Originally Posted by soonkwon

didn't gracie guys, especially rickson, got famous because they never lost in a street fight?

im not trying to be an ass but i hear/read jiu jitsu works pretty well in 1 on 1 street fight.

BJJ is not optimal in a street fight. Can it be effective? Yes.

Ryan Gracie was a known street fighter (aka Pit Bull) within the Gracie fam.

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11-12-2009 , 01:39 AM

#196

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Originally Posted by dodge_soaps

I seriously didn't think anyone preferred the old MMA to the new. Clearly I was wrong. Do you think crotch shots should be allowed also?

MMA is definitely not meant to resemble an "all out, win by whatever means" fight.

Also, in a street fight, you realize that by cranking the triangle that you describe, you are not paying any attention to what else is going on around you? Great way to get stomped, IMO. Or worse. This is a big reason why BBJ is not optimal in a street fight. Grappling is nice to have, but striking ends street fights much more effectively than a choke, and without the higher risk of injury.

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11-12-2009 , 01:42 AM

#197

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Originally Posted by metsman82

I hadn't seen this post, and I repeated a few of the points made. Props.

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11-12-2009 , 01:44 AM

#198

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Is it possible for a moderator to move a thread to sherdog?

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11-12-2009 , 02:45 AM

#199

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Fedor > anyone in street death fight

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11-12-2009 , 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dodge_soaps

Fedor > anyone in street death fight

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