Ovechkin in a walkover.. Would last under 90 seconds.

300lb guys vs. a 150lb guy is the same as a 220lb guy vs. a 140-150lb girl?

No way. Prime Bob Sapp weighed about ~350 and at least had some fight training. I think Gina Carano would have a much, much better shot against Overchkin than Diaz would against Bob Sapp. Diaz literally weighs half as much as Sapp, whearas Carano would only be giving up 70 pounds. Sapp also had squat numbers in the 700-800 range and can crush an apple with his bare hands. I doubt Overchkin, even though he would be fighting a chick, would have anywhere near as much strength advantage.

Good god, anyone who thinks any woman in the world has a chance of taking down Ovechkin is an idiot. He will overpower her and if he could get his mind around smashing the face of a woman, she would be done like dinner. Humungus must have got beaten up by girls in school a lot.

Because Ovechkin trains wrestling so much in preparation for hockey games?


Again, could anyone tell me about this guy's athletic feats aside from skating and knocking pucks into nets better than anyone else? (Not that I'm downplaying his skills here, but I don't think Anderson Silva would make a very good point guard, either.)

I would like to see Serena Williams fight MMA. She would dominate (and grunt a lot).

Serena vs. Pedro Martinez? I think Serena has the edge.

wait a second....you're saying that if you gave Ovechkin enough training he'd be able to beat Justine Henin, Maria Sharapova or Serena Williams in tennis?

I must be mis-interpreting your post because there's no way you would say something this stupid, right?

And you think he'd be able to make the WNBA or the US Women's Soccer team, too, I guess....provided he practice enough, of course.

I think any given 4-A high school varsity men's basketball starter could start at any position in the WNBA and lead the league in scoring.

But in tennis / soccer, your umbrage is on-point.

I believe there are some things that should be done only in private.
Religion. The bedroom. Women's basketball.
-- Coach Bobby Knight

for big untrained dudes it's all about the heelhook. doesn't matter how strong they are and nobody that isn't trained has any idea how to defend it or what the **** you're doing.
my instructor's wife was a brown (now black i think). i rolled with her once and i got worked really bad (6'2" 205, this was probably a month or two before i got promoted to blue, she's like 5'8" 140 maybe?)

my wrestling sucks ass and i've taken down guys that outweigh me by 60+ lbs without much trouble. and that was grappling only, it gets easier when your opponent is throwing haymakers and has no footwork (lol hockey boxing training).

some of you are massively overrating how hard it would be to take down someone with no wrestling training even if he's huge and athletic.

edit: just taking the op at face value (any female pro fighter that is under 5'9" and has one win) ovechkin is probably a fairly big favorite. but it wouldn't be that hard to find women that meet those requirements and would be big favorites vs. ovechkin.

Not sure how legit this is but heres a clip of man vs woman mma fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKiUHNbnSJI

i've also seen a 150 lbs bjj blue belt and former high school wrestler shoot a double and maintain mount on a 6' 240 lbs (and cut) guy that was attempting to break his face. fight stayed standing for maybe a second or two at most. i don't understand why so many people think taking down big guys is so impossible. just because nog sucks at wrestling doesn't mean everyone does.

this is similar to fights I had with my brother. I outweigh him by 30 lbs but he became a good wrestler in high school. When he would shoot in on me (or whatever the lingo is), I would either kick him or punch him.

The hockey player already knows how to punch, so 1 day mma training you could easily teach a leg defense. I very highly doubt this chick is faster than he is so when he sees her coming in, pop her with a knee or just take her head and throw her whole body out of the way like a rag doll, or just get out of the way. Since she has a tendency to get fat she could maybe make his counterdef harder by eating a lot of chips and ice cream but then at a 3rd-4th level that would really start to slow her down.

Also, somehow if this gets to the ground, his hands will still be free so he can pummel her or twist her arm off or break it in two.

The difference in strength/athleticism between a 225 elite male athlete and a 140-150 lbs woman is larger than between a 150 v 300 man. I just don't think some people do any sort of athletic GPP training to make some of the comments they do.

I also agree with Perf's posts about men v women.

The average NAIA/NCAA D1 tennis player would not just beat them, but would sodomize them.

You also just mentioned a very technical sport whereas combat sports while possessing an extremely technical aspect still allow poor technique to be supplanted by great physical gifts (Matt Hughes).

he wouldnt have a jersey to hold on to

Yeah you really practice your jab a lot in hockey.

To side track this conversation

I've read a theory (which I believe to be reasonably close to true) that elite female athletes at any given sport are equivalent to elite male athletes aged 14-15.

So perhaps Ovechkin vs. a really good 14 year old fighter.

and i don't think some people have any mma training to make the comments they do.

performify was talking about trained male athletes vs. trained female athletes. how about ovechkin with one day of basketball training (let's say he's never even seen a basketball game before) vs. a wnba player? you think he wins one on one on pure athleticism alone even though he is basically worthless at dribbling and shooting?
matt hughes? seriously? his striking sucks but he has great wrestling and sub grappling technique.

Judging from my (complete newbie) surfing of youtube starting from this fight video, no man has ever beaten a woman in a fight. I suspect selection bias (maybe it's only a fight if the woman wins, otherwise it's "man beats up woman").

Here are some women fighters who are near in weight and could possibly beat someone like Alexander Ovechkin (Height Weight: 6 FT 2 in (1.88 M) 220 LB (100 KG) According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ovechkin) There are some large strong female MMA fighters that could possibly be favored over someone like Ovechkin but they are over 5'9" tall. Sorry for no pics. Still thinking this on this.


IRINA RODINA
Win-Loss-Draw-NC 3-1-0-0
Country Russia
Height 5'3" (160cm)
Weight 227
http://www.fightergirls.com/fighter.asp?ID=566


LISA HUNT Fighter Status Professional Win-Loss-Draw-NC 1-0-0-0
Fighting Style MMA City Amarillo State / Province TX
Country US
Height 5'8
Weight 200

http://www.fightergirls.com/fighter.asp?ID=33


KYOKO INOUE Fighter Status Professional
Win-Loss-Draw-NC 0-1-0-0
Country Japan
Height 5'6" (168 cm)
Weight 220
http://www.fightergirls.com/fighter.asp?ID=572

Paperchamp asked if I thought Ovechkin could beat an AVERAGE professional women's player at these sports.

And as I stated in my post, he could eventually but it would take a lot of training(maybe 1 year or more) as tennis for example relies on a highly specific athletic feat that must be perfectly consistent. There isn't the overwhelming physicality that is inherent in any fighting sport where size and strength allow a person to overwhelm their opponent.

Tell you what...you take any athlete you want from any sport, as long as he hasn't played tennis above a high school level.

i'll take any top 6 college player from any top 20 ranked woman's tennis team in the country.

You can have five years of training.

When they play, I'll bet you everything I've got the woman wins. Everything.


That you think if your hockey player trained for as little as "one year" he'd be able to compete on a professional level in woman's tennis just says how little you know what you're talking about.

tennis isn't like golf, where some professional athletes can become quite good at, even becoming scratch players. the difference is, in tennis, you have someone else on the other side of the net. In golf, your play is not dictated by another.

Tennis takes many, many years of training in order to become good enough to player to even compete on a Division I collegiate level.

No hockey player is going to become good at it in less than a year, much less five. It's not going to happen.

MMA is not like tennis. I think I'm going to call you very dumb if I have to explain why.

agree w/ Dominic

but also agree with whoever said any average D1 mens player from a competitive team would pwn any top ranked women pro player

He leaves out the fact that is a very small window to start learning tennis if you're going to play at an elite level. Almost every peak for other sports would make you ******edly old in tennis.

Regardless, if you're gonna make a cross sport comp. You'd be better off with something where physical gifts are much more pertinent. Like saying you could take a men's volleyball player and turn them into a great WNBA star. In all likelihood they'd instantly become the best interior defender and rebounder in the game, and would need almost no offensive talent to become very good.