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09-11-2009 , 02:46 PM
Is it just me or does everyone else think that ND is going to blow Michigan outta the water this weekend? The Line keeps going down...last I saw was ND -3. LOCK OF THE WEEK
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09-11-2009 , 03:02 PM
I don't see how this game could be your lock of the week. Did you see last year's game? Go check the stats on that game, then tell me that this is the single best pick for this week.
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09-11-2009 , 03:18 PM
Not a good thread if your a ND fan. I'm thoroughly sad that you had to use that 4 letter word. I'll take an ND win by 1 please gambling gods, don't give them an outright loss just because of the OP!
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09-11-2009 , 03:37 PM
This OP is why fading ND is is generally very profitable.
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09-11-2009 , 04:19 PM
Go Blue!!!
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09-11-2009 , 05:27 PM
Don't buy into any UM hype, especially offensively. I highly doubt Forcier will have the same success as he did last week. I really didn't think the line would come back to 3, I expected it to close at 5.5/6, which is where I initially had it. We'll see, I just believe ND is a top notch club this year.
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09-11-2009 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
This OP is why fading ND is is generally very profitable.
step up and post your picks, otherwise STFU (moderators, ban me, i don't care)
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09-11-2009 , 07:02 PM
i have to say. probably the most intersting game "after the fact" of the week
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09-12-2009 , 12:27 AM
not betting it, but as a UM fan, i'm glad it's his 'lock of the week'...makes me feel pretty good about tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Mr. 33
Don't buy into any UM hype, especially offensively. I highly doubt Forcier will have the same success as he did last week.
LOL at tate not being able to improve. nd may be better on D than western, but then i doubt i'm the only one looking at the following pictures.

this is totally stolen from mgoblog, and is only 1 play. notice picture #3 where if he throws the easy bubble route it's probably a huge gain...







he 'only' gained 4, but decision-making wise, he will only get better. which after watching last week is probably terrifying for ND and the rest of the big 10.

/homer rant

also, brian at mgb is a God.
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09-12-2009 , 12:30 AM
also, for the most indepth (and probably just a BIT biased) matchups for tomorrow, read the front of his blog.
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09-12-2009 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by smbruin22
step up and post your picks, otherwise STFU (moderators, ban me, i don't care)
ND is a 3-3.5 fav on the road with an overhyped team and coach like usual. OP wants to know why a ND blow out line doesn't exist as if the the line creators for this game are fat fingered downsyndrome kids. Ok I know I just crossed the line there. Riverman explains people with OP's logic is what makes it happen. What's the problem?
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09-12-2009 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wiper
also, for the most indepth (and probably just a BIT biased) matchups for tomorrow, read the front of his blog.
I know if i want to read a sharps opinion on the game, I'm going to mgoblog.
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09-12-2009 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
I know if i want to read a sharps opinion on the game, I'm going to mgoblog.
you're right.

but seeing how this thread was specifically dedicated to this game, i figured that column would be an additional resource, regardless of affiliation.

plus, i liked it.
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09-12-2009 , 10:25 AM
Wiper, I also think Brian runs a great blog, but sometimes his football analysis is really off the mark.

His claim that the pass out wide is set up for a huge gain is wrong - imo. It's an illusion. It relies (erroneously) on the defenders not changing their positions in milliseconds. I see this commonly when I watch tennis matches with people who don't play tennis. They always think shots are open when they are not in fact. They think "down the line!" or "drop shot!" without accounting for how quickly the other player's position will change to such an attempt.

The third screen is the moment when Tate has the option to throw or run.
The slot receiver is 4.5 yds from the LOS. The safety is 6.5 yds from the LOS. Let's presume that Tate throws a good pass, thus leading the slot another 2 yds to the LOS. In the time that Tate clocks back his right arm, starts his forward motion, passes the ball through the air, slot catches it, cradles it, and glances downfield for his run, the safety moves up at least 3 yds. [I know that this offensive transaction happens fast in real time but so does a safety stepping forward 3 yds.]

End result, I would predict about a 2.5 yd gain. It's an illusion. It's easy to see players as open in camera still shots, imo. I've noticed that Brian does this quite a bit w/ his UFR's in the past. But overall, I think it's a great blog.

(The analysis on this specific play could go on ad nauseum: for example, would the wide out lay a good block on the safety thus springing slot outside, as likely intended? But I still maintain my point.)




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Originally Posted by wiper
not betting it, but as a UM fan, i'm glad it's his 'lock of the week'...makes me feel pretty good about tomorrow.



LOL at tate not being able to improve. nd may be better on D than western, but then i doubt i'm the only one looking at the following pictures.

this is totally stolen from mgoblog, and is only 1 play. notice picture #3 where if he throws the easy bubble route it's probably a huge gain...







he 'only' gained 4, but decision-making wise, he will only get better. which after watching last week is probably terrifying for ND and the rest of the big 10.

/homer rant

also, brian at mgb is a God.
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09-12-2009 , 11:11 AM
What is the full http: address of mgb? I am interested in reading the blog.
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09-12-2009 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by knightrunnermat
What is the full http: address of mgb? I am interested in reading the blog.
MGoBlog
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09-12-2009 , 12:06 PM
Thanks!
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09-12-2009 , 12:40 PM
ND and B10 being terrified of Mich. I hope that's a level.
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09-12-2009 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by j-cor
Wiper, I also think Brian runs a great blog, but sometimes his football analysis is really off the mark.

His claim that the pass out wide is set up for a huge gain is wrong - imo. It's an illusion. It relies (erroneously) on the defenders not changing their positions in milliseconds. I see this commonly when I watch tennis matches with people who don't play tennis. They always think shots are open when they are not in fact. They think "down the line!" or "drop shot!" without accounting for how quickly the other player's position will change to such an attempt.

The third screen is the moment when Tate has the option to throw or run.
The slot receiver is 4.5 yds from the LOS. The safety is 6.5 yds from the LOS. Let's presume that Tate throws a good pass, thus leading the slot another 2 yds to the LOS. In the time that Tate clocks back his right arm, starts his forward motion, passes the ball through the air, slot catches it, cradles it, and glances downfield for his run, the safety moves up at least 3 yds. [I know that this offensive transaction happens fast in real time but so does a safety stepping forward 3 yds.]

End result, I would predict about a 2.5 yd gain. It's an illusion. It's easy to see players as open in camera still shots, imo. I've noticed that Brian does this quite a bit w/ his UFR's in the past. But overall, I think it's a great blog.

(The analysis on this specific play could go on ad nauseum: for example, would the wide out lay a good block on the safety thus springing slot outside, as likely intended? But I still maintain my point.)
I agree that it isn't as "open" as it looks in the photo. However, you're assuming that DB can tackle that slot guy 100% of the time in open space. If Odoms or Grady breaks that lone DB tackle it's a huge gainer. I'm of the opinion it's going to be closer to ~7 yards on average.

Also... THIS is why it's nice to fade ND:

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09-12-2009 , 01:29 PM
Notre Dame -3 -103 @ Michigan bet 1.03u to win 1u (matchbook)

We are seeing how bad WMU is right now at Indiana. I don't think the market has adapted this info into the line. Beating a team soundly doesn't seem so impressive when Indiana can handle that same team
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09-12-2009 , 01:58 PM
Western Michigan is down 17-14 with the ball in the 3rd quarter. Michigan was up on that team 31-0 at halftime. That's a fairly large discrepancy.
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09-12-2009 , 02:28 PM
not sure of your point

the win is not nearly as impressive as the collective thought

Indiana is HORRIBLE!
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09-12-2009 , 07:27 PM
Wow can the N.D. defense be anymore soft then what I just witnessed? Fourcier burned ND the whole second half. N.D. not finishing off Michigan in there last possession burned them. N.D. had nice offense throughout the game but penalties killed them. Watch out for Michigan in the big ten.
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09-12-2009 , 09:34 PM
both these teams are just bad
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09-12-2009 , 10:00 PM
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both these teams are just bad
In this forum the only thing that matters is whether or not either is bet-able. IMO neither one is because of their lack of depth and talent on defense and explosive offensive potential. Whether or not they are or aren't good (personally I think both are in the 20-30 range) is irrelevant.

Staying away from both of these teams for the rest of the year.
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