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You can’t even compare the wrestling of Jones to Cormier. They’re in a different league. Henderson was also an Olympian and DC made him look like a small child.

Tough fight to call

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08-05-2014 , 11:51 PM

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What's keeping me away is that Jones might be arrogant enough to try and wrestle DC.

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08-06-2014 , 02:09 AM

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You can’t even compare the wrestling of Jones to Cormier. They’re in a different league. Henderson was also an Olympian and DC made him look like a small child.

Tough fight to call

This!

There's a huge difference in the wrestling pedigree. Jones will spend a lot on time on his back unless he eyepokes his way to victory

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08-06-2014 , 02:29 PM

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I don't think Mousasi's striking is all that dominant is the thing. I think Jacare will be able to hold his own on the feet and possibly outwork Mousasi.

Also is this the same Dan Cormier who was 7 of 13 on takedowns against wrestling luminaries Mir, Barnett, and Roy Nelson? Can't see how people think he's just gonna come toss Jones on his ass.

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08-06-2014 , 02:35 PM

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It is a 5 round fight, how is Jacare's cardio? Last fight I remember him from was against Carmont where he seemed a bit gassed in 3rd round.

But passiveness is Mousasi's biggest problem when he's matched with skilled opponents. In those cases it's usually the more active guy that wins.

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08-06-2014 , 05:15 PM

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Also is this the same Dan Cormier who was 7 of 13 on takedowns against wrestling luminaries Mir, Barnett, and Roy Nelson? Can't see how people think he's just gonna come toss Jones on his ass.

Strange stat to choose, what % do you think would be high enough?

Over 50% takedown success at hw is incredibly good. To put it in perspective cains td rate is 40%

Add that to the type of td he's scored, he tossed Henderson and Barnett as if they were children.

Cormiers wrestling is outstanding and should define this fight, if we look at his total td % in UFC rather than picking and choosing fights it's 67%!

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08-06-2014 , 05:22 PM

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08-06-2014 , 05:39 PM

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Picking and choosing? lol I "picked and chose" some mediocre and horrible wrestlers!

And Cain's been fighting JDS for 10 rounds. I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that he would score more than 7 takedowns against Mir, Barnett, and Nelson if he tried 13 times.

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08-06-2014 , 05:44 PM

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So you think over 50%shows weakness against top ten hw opposition. In terms of the 7 he didn't attempt from memory to take Mir down he just beat him against the cage I'm assuming as his gameplan not to hit the ground.

I can't think off the top of my head of a fighter with better td% (with multiple fights) especially considering he also has 100% td defense.

Jones is at 50% btw in the lhw division and as we saw in the hendo match dc has very little trouble in that weight class

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08-06-2014 , 06:10 PM

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Cains takedown accuracy was at around 61 % prior to the JDS fight, he lowered it by 20% over 2 fights. Says tons about JDS tdd.

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08-06-2014 , 07:13 PM

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TD % by itself can be a little misleading, you can be ok at TD's but great at keeping a guy down, and vice versa. Who cares if you have a 90%+ TD success but can't keep a guy from popping back up.

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08-06-2014 , 07:52 PM

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TD % by itself can be a little misleading, you can be ok at TD's but great at keeping a guy down, and vice versa. Who cares if you have a 90%+ TD success but can't keep a guy from popping back up.

Well, you score points for starters, and it's a great way of making your opponent second guess if you're going for strikes or setting up a takedown. Some of the fights the russians have won have been where they repeateadly take them down, even if they pop back up in some seconds.

But a guy like Cain doesn't have to have high takedown accuracy, he can just play the numbers game due to his cardio. Other fighters don't have that luxury so they better have a high takedown accuracy if they can't back it up with volume and its in their gameplan to mix it up.

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08-07-2014 , 12:12 AM

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So it turns out Josh Grispi is a wifebeater and even trained his dog to attack her. Also found cocaine and marijuana plants in his house. Looks like he's going to jail for what I hope is a very long time. From the description he's even more ****ed up the the average wife beating scum.

http://www.tauntongazette.com/articl...8087/1994/NEWS

Makes me want to rewatch Grispi getting beat down. Yahya should have done the human race a favour and choked him to death.

Abel Trujillo will get what's coming to him too, filthy scum. Was looking forward to Pearson beating him up. Hopefully he still gets a chance to after dealing with Maynard

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08-07-2014 , 12:26 AM

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Nijem +160 seems interesting to me.

Also think Boetch might be playable. Been back and forth on that one all week though.

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08-07-2014 , 02:27 AM

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Liking the Larkin and Nijem openers. Think Castillo is value at +180 too

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08-07-2014 , 03:19 AM

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Some of you might already listen but you should try out the 'Fighter and the Kid' podcast with Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen, I think it's really good. They release one a week and last just over an hour

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08-07-2014 , 04:26 AM

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Only one of the attempts was against Mir.

And I think only 50% against that slate of opponents is not that impressive, yes. It will be far harder to take Jon Jones down than those guys. And he's 50% vs them? I haven't seen anything from Dan Cormier than indicated he's going to come out and dump Jon Jones with ease.

Larkin and Castillo openers stand out to me.

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08-07-2014 , 01:13 PM

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I can't wait for the line on this... Brown put this kid into semi retirement and now they bring him back and he is going to get really hurt again against another legit tough guy in Pyle. Amazing his Dad is his corner man and manager and can't see that this is too big of a bite.

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08-07-2014 , 01:25 PM

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50% is still really good, he shoots 4 td's in a round and gets 2 it would almost always win the round.

No one has ever done the below to these guys, we can't guarantee he'll do the same to Jones but I can't think of any other fighter who would have better chance in all of MMA.

btw obviously I agree on Castillo can't believe he's +money here.

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08-07-2014 , 03:57 PM

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Huh? Mein is going to be a pretty big favorite here, I would expect.

And taking down Dan Henderson is honestly not that impressive. Great pedigree but the guy has always been a mediocre defensive wrestler. Jake Shields wrestled circles around him.

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08-07-2014 , 04:17 PM

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Huh? Mein is going to be a pretty big favorite here, I would expect.
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I agree

Prefer Mein here, pyle is a beast in the gym but has faltered in most major fights. At 38 he's dangerously close to the age where we expect to see a significant drop off in performance (especially as TRT no longer an option for ageing fighters)

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08-07-2014 , 05:44 PM

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Yeah I think Mein finishes him by KO here. Pyle is due to fall off for sure and he's never really been anything but a middling guy. Rick Story is his best win and that wasn't even a win IMO.