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11-03-2013 , 12:49 AM

#16426

anteatereater

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Originally Posted by luckproof

Thought Chandler won and I was rooting hard for Eddie, have to watch it again

Same here. I might be influenced by the announcers though.

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11-03-2013 , 12:53 AM

#16427

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I watched it in Spanish lol

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11-03-2013 , 12:56 AM

#16428

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Originally Posted by Synth

Chandler was robbed. I predicted decision for Chandler and that's the way I scored the fight.

I'd love to know in which rounds of 1,2 and 4 did two judges think Alvarez won.

If they update it this one place you can look

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/464...chael-Chandler

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11-03-2013 , 01:12 AM

#16429

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Originally Posted by luckproof

If they update it this one place you can look

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/464...chael-Chandler

Thanks.

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11-03-2013 , 02:34 AM

#16430

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Originally Posted by just_mo

K1 experience...Overeem ring any bells?

Alisteroid Testoreem was a roid junkie with a testosterone/epitestosterone lvl of 14:1.

When he fought Peter Aerts the two times, Badr Hari for the first time, Tyrone Spong, and Gokhan Saki, he was a larger opponent with a recovery rate of the 4 men combined. His striking skills were highly overrated (you could see that in the 2nd fight vs Werdum) and that was made totally apparent when Badr Hari (2nd fight) Bigfoot and Browne knocked him out.

Overeem is not a very good example for why one should not consider ones K1 experience.

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11-03-2013 , 10:59 AM

#16431

mossified84

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had a 5 teamer with

richmond
riggs
straus
king mo over
chandler

paid 52-1 ****n judges got me again great fight tho

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11-03-2013 , 01:42 PM

#16432

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11-03-2013 , 01:43 PM

#16433

GiveHug

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have made an excel worksheet for myself to calculate betting ev

if anyone's interested, can share and make in us odds
needs some improvement though

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11-03-2013 , 04:24 PM

#16434

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Originally Posted by Synth

Except for the fact that he was a champion.

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11-03-2013 , 07:57 PM

#16435

Synth

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Originally Posted by just_mo

Except for the fact that he was a champion.

He was also assisted by the steroids. And when he fought Aerts in the finals of the Grand Prix, Aerts was badly injured from his previous bouts, Overeem was not. May have been a different outcome had Aerts not been so injured.

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11-03-2013 , 08:02 PM

#16436

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Ya the same juice he takes for MMA, where he's an averageish HW.

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11-03-2013 , 08:03 PM

#16437

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Steroids wont help with endurance during a fight.

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11-03-2013 , 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by just_mo

Ya the same juice he takes for MMA, where he's an averageish HW.

I don't think he was on the juice when he fought Bigfoot and he most definitely was not when against Browne. When he was juicing for certain, he beat Rogers, Lesnar, Werdum (although unimpressive) James Thompson, etc. 7 fight win streak as a HW (I think) and undefeated prior to the Bigfoot fight as a HW.

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11-03-2013 , 08:09 PM

#16439

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Originally Posted by kingofcool

Steroids wont help with endurance during a fight.

He didn't need the endurance.

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11-03-2013 , 08:18 PM

#16440

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So what did the steroids help with other than physical strength and recovery in training?

He beat Lesnar because Lesnar was a joke at the time and a completely different fighter than what he could have been. He didn't even try.
He looked unimpressive vs. Werdum, the only top tier heavyweight he fought during that reign.
Rogers? Top30 material maybe.
Thompson? Can.

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11-03-2013 , 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofcool

So what did the steroids help with other than physical strength and recovery in training?

Recovery rate and physical strength is all that he needed during the Grand Prix. He was able to recover at a rate beyond those of his competitors and when they were battered up, he was healthy. That's prolly why no fight went the distance.

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Originally Posted by kingofcool

He beat Lesnar because Lesnar was a joke at the time and a completely different fighter than what he could have been. He didn't even try.
He looked unimpressive vs. Werdum, the only top tier heavyweight he fought during that reign.
Rogers? Top30 material maybe.
Thompson? Can.

I'm not saying Overeem is a top tier heavyweight. I only brought up his undefeated reign because he was winning when he was juicing and losing when he was not.

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11-03-2013 , 08:30 PM

#16442

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Originally Posted by Synth

I'm not saying Overeem is a top tier heavyweight. I only brought up his undefeated reign because he was winning when he was juicing and losing when he was not.

This is complete conjecture.

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11-03-2013 , 08:40 PM

#16443

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Originally Posted by just_mo

This is complete conjecture.

Ok, fine. Winning when he was obviously juicing and losing when he MAY not have been juicing.

What is clear however is that during his undefeated reign at HW he was juicing and when it was leaked by the media that Overeem was on the roids (releasing the info we all already knew) he was losing and was smaller (at least in the fight against Browne).

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11-03-2013 , 09:44 PM

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i don't think Overeem's striking skills are in need of being questioned. Guy is clearly an elite level striker. He can throw down with the best best of them if you look purely at technique. However, he has one of the worst chins in MMA, tends to give up when he gets hurt, and has horrible cardio.

I don't think Gregard's K1 experience should be overlooked due to Overeem's or even Mark hunt's MMA skillset. Gregard is clearly a different fighter, and has adapted to MMA in a much more successful way.

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11-04-2013 , 12:29 AM

#16445

Chris M

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Adding 1u Cruz/Barao over 3.5r -160.

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11-04-2013 , 01:53 AM

#16446

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Adding 1.83u to win 1u on Rony Jason vs Jeremy Stephens

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11-04-2013 , 02:07 AM

#16447

Synth

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Originally Posted by yoyobo

I definitely agree with the latter, not so much the prior.

Having success in K1 doesn't necessarily mean you are an "elite" level striker. Bob Sapp beat the legend Ernesto Hoost twice and Bob Sapp is the furthest thing from an elite level striker.

I'm not saying that I think Overeem is a bad striker (I thought he was winning the stand-up against Liddell - before being finished and he had beat Belfort on 2 separate occasions) but I wouldn't consider his striking to be elite nor would I ever consider him a top-tier heavyweight. JMO.

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11-04-2013 , 07:44 AM

#16448

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Originally Posted by OrganicGreen

drop a ton on eddie alvarez at +225

this

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11-04-2013 , 07:52 AM

#16449

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Originally Posted by Synth

Originally Posted by OrganicGreen
drop a ton on eddie alvarez at +225
Do not do this^

I think Chandler wins by decision.

1 - I'd also bet (if I was a betting man) on King Mo over Newton.
2 - Diesel over Bronzoulis.
3 - Pat Curran over Straus.

JUST SHUT YOUR MOUTH WHEN IT COMES TO MMA.. YOU KNOW NOTHING.. PROOF IN YOUR RESULTS