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02-28-2012 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
If it was the old Silva fighting, yeah, but as of recently(well the Cung Lee fight, and bc he said after the fight), he's been way more conservative with his punches and doesn't go wild swinging. I think he definitely has an advantage when it comes to cardio, so if he somehow can hang in there past the first round, he might decision Vitor. But then again, Vitor is going to connect with at least a couple of punches in the first round like Cung Lee did and Vitors power >> Cung Lee's power.
no offense, but i'm a little confused about what you are saying at the beginning here. if it was the old Silva fighting Silva would stand less of a chance?

Wandy is an absolute shell of himself and if you breath on him he goes down. I can't see anyway he wins this fight short of Vitor showing up grossly out of shape... and even then Vitor will probably still ko him.
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02-28-2012 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Oh the irony of being wrong when correcting someone (although technically there are 2 cards this week, it's on the strikeforce one, etc)

Re: Barnett and Cormier - Barnett is a legit top 5-7ish HW, has a 7 inch reach advantage standing which will negate any disadvantage he has striking (he's got some KOs standing), solid chin, good ground game. I just feel he's more well rounded than Cormier, and he's bigger. Cormier is a short HW with a 71 inch reach. Against someone as experienced as Barnett who has an extra 20 pounds and 7 inches of reach it's going to be hard for Cormier to win any way other than 3 rounds of get takedown, avoid sub or get inside to land a big shot standing. Barnett can win via reach standing, sub, KO, just feels like he has more ways to win and more experience. Granted I haven't seen many Cormier fights but his most impressive (basically only impressive) win is Bigfoot and for all we know that could have been a semi-fluke victory as we all know Bigfoot's very hittable.

Does Barnett have bad striking defense to the extent that he'll lose the stand up to someone he has a 7 inch reach advantage + height/weight advantage over? Remembering of course that if Barnett finds a way to get on top at any stage (granted less likely) that the fight should instantly be over.

I've just convinced myself actually i'm going to put a couple hundred on Barnett this weekend I think.
So, back to my point, you know this fight isn't this weekend right?
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02-28-2012 , 11:48 PM
Can we get a mod to ban this troll...?
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02-28-2012 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
no offense, but i'm a little confused about what you are saying at the beginning here. if it was the old Silva fighting Silva would stand less of a chance?

Wandy is an absolute shell of himself and if you breath on him he goes down. I can't see anyway he wins this fight short of Vitor showing up grossly out of shape... and even then Vitor will probably still ko him.
If it was the old Silva fighting amongst todays guys he wouldn't have the same success. The old hack n slash style doesn't really work today. I'm saying Silva has adjusted and isn't going to go out and swing from the get go or try to walk through Vitors punches. I think Silva stands a bigger chance today than he did in the old days, that's what I'm saying, first bc Vitor is going to have worse conditioning and bc his main strong side has weakened, and that's his speed. Also Silva is going to respect his punches a lot more this 2nd time around and will therefor have a completely different gameplan than he did last time. Those are the favors that are on his side.
With that said, Silva always tends to get hit, careful or not, in his fights. So I think he's going to get KO'd again prolly, just saying he stands a better chance today than he did before.
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02-28-2012 , 11:56 PM
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Can we get a mod to ban this troll...?
So you don't think a guy who says this, "Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Oh the irony of being wrong when correcting someone (although technically there are 2 cards this week, it's on the strikeforce one, etc)" thinks the fight is this weekend?
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02-29-2012 , 12:01 AM
Just drop it everyone and focus on the fights. No reason to fight over petty things.
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02-29-2012 , 07:48 AM
Anyone else loving Cole Miller at -300?
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02-29-2012 , 12:50 PM
Yes.

Anyone else not seeing the Cormier/Barnett line on Pinny, despite it opening and being bet on already according to BFO?
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02-29-2012 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
Yes.

Anyone else not seeing the Cormier/Barnett line on Pinny, despite it opening and being bet on already according to BFO?
Can't see it either.
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02-29-2012 , 02:39 PM
Are you guys blind? The Cormier vs Barnett fight was pushed back.
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02-29-2012 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Hooverdeuce
Are you guys blind? The Cormier vs Barnett fight was pushed back.
The funny part is, no one thought it strange that Rousey/Tate was the headliner on a card that had Barnett/Cormier.

Feel a bit for those who bet that fight.. I don't believe it even has a date yet.
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02-29-2012 , 04:52 PM
Pushed back due to Cormier's hand injury, I guess I should check multiple sources and not just betting sites that still had it listed for the next SF card
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02-29-2012 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Pushed back due to Cormier's hand injury, I guess I should check multiple sources and not just betting sites that still had it listed for the next SF card
I accept your apology.
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02-29-2012 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Pushed back due to Cormier's hand injury, I guess I should check multiple sources and not just betting sites that still had it listed for the next SF card
sure hope it happens soon. Assuming cormier recovers fully he will be my biggest bet in a while. Honestly he should be -300+ Only way josh wins is via sub. That will be very difficult as this fight never goes to the ground unless cormier makes a huge mistake and takes it there. I expect the fight to stay standing and for cormier to win an easy decision.
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02-29-2012 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
If it was the old Silva fighting, yeah, but as of recently(well the Cung Lee fight, and bc he said after the fight), he's been way more conservative with his punches and doesn't go wild swinging. I think he definitely has an advantage when it comes to cardio, so if he somehow can hang in there past the first round, he might decision Vitor. But then again, Vitor is going to connect with at least a couple of punches in the first round like Cung Lee did and Vitors power >> Cung Lee's power.
yea i think he has a decent advantage over josh in striking.
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02-29-2012 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by grumpy64
sure hope it happens soon. Assuming cormier recovers fully he will be my biggest bet in a while. Honestly he should be -300+ Only way josh wins is via sub. That will be very difficult as this fight never goes to the ground unless cormier makes a huge mistake and takes it there. I expect the fight to stay standing and for cormier to win an easy decision.
I'm with this, see Cormier as a 2:1 favorite here.

Also, made wagers on Philippou and Alves.

Last edited by just_mo; 02-29-2012 at 08:24 PM.
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02-29-2012 , 09:16 PM
wow, benavidez -1000 @ bodog, jeeeeez
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02-29-2012 , 10:12 PM
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wow, benavidez -1000 @ bodog, jeeeeez
If I remember correctly, his opponent is 7.3 or smth, and hence he only needs to win more than 13-14% to make it a +EV bet.
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03-01-2012 , 08:23 AM
Added Pineda +135.

Miller/Johnson parlay tw2u.
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03-01-2012 , 10:23 PM
Jake Hecht -115, 1.5u. Johnson by decision is -140. One of the best lines I've seen in awhile I think, he never finishes anyone but should win.
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03-02-2012 , 05:15 AM
Id like to get more thoughts on this Alves / Kampmann fight. I think this is an absolutely brutal matchup for Kampmann. The path to victory against Alves is a strong takedown game with good top control to grind him out. That certainly doesnt fit Kampmanns style. This fight isnt going to the ground.

The path to victory I see for Kampmann is an elusive stick and move style but hes never shown that sort of agility and is easily backed down and forced into desperate exchanges. Its in these exchanges that I see Alves having a monumental advantage.

Does somebody want to play devils advocate and make the case for Kampmann?
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03-02-2012 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerkai
Id like to get more thoughts on this Alves / Kampmann fight. I think this is an absolutely brutal matchup for Kampmann. The path to victory against Alves is a strong takedown game with good top control to grind him out. That certainly doesnt fit Kampmanns style. This fight isnt going to the ground.

The path to victory I see for Kampmann is an elusive stick and move style but hes never shown that sort of agility and is easily backed down and forced into desperate exchanges. Its in these exchanges that I see Alves having a monumental advantage.

Does somebody want to play devils advocate and make the case for Kampmann?
Nope. Kampmann will prob get stunned and freeze up while Alves goes berserker on him.
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03-02-2012 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerkai
Id like to get more thoughts on this Alves / Kampmann fight. I think this is an absolutely brutal matchup for Kampmann. The path to victory against Alves is a strong takedown game with good top control to grind him out. That certainly doesnt fit Kampmanns style. This fight isnt going to the ground.

The path to victory I see for Kampmann is an elusive stick and move style but hes never shown that sort of agility and is easily backed down and forced into desperate exchanges. Its in these exchanges that I see Alves having a monumental advantage.

Does somebody want to play devils advocate and make the case for Kampmann?
A case for Kampmann would probably be based on two things...his strong clinch striking game and his ability to throw volume and outpoint Alves, who is not the most prolific striker.

The problem I see is that Kampmann does not have the physical strength to pressure Alves the way Fitch and Story did, forcing clinches against the cage and imposing their will on Alves. I think they will be trading fairly evenly but Alves will be landing the harder strikes and wearing Kampmann down.
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03-02-2012 , 08:04 AM
I hate this card for betting really, not gonna go too heavy.

100 to win 83.33 on Alves so far

@Just_Mo why hecht? He's +104 at pinnacle now fwiw. I may bet him but undecided, dont know enough about him. You think he's a significant favourite?
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03-02-2012 , 08:11 AM
I love the lines on this card (for now lol). Some really safe parlay material plus some close lines where you aren't laying much juice.

Hecht impressed me in his debut when he finished Attonito, though he did drop round 1. He showed some tenacity and power in his strikes, and 5 of Waldburger's 6 losses are by TKO. Waldburger has some good wins (Healy, Foster) but also some pretty bad losses (finished by Spratt, Ricardo freakin Funch).
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