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02-26-2012 , 02:23 AM
This is not a robbery lol.
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02-26-2012 , 02:24 AM
Damn. Had it 48-47 Edgar. Anxious to see Fightmetric's score, but not gonna call it a robbery by any means.
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02-26-2012 , 02:24 AM
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This is not a robbery lol. Okey, now I hate him for the amen.
Maybe I'm just drunk. I'll rewatch. I wanna see the fightmetric numbers on this too.
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02-26-2012 , 02:28 AM
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Maybe I'm just drunk. I'll rewatch. I wanna see the fightmetric numbers on this too.
I agree with Frankie's assessment. I thought he outlanded and out takedowned ben---I think the blood/swelling hurt him bad in the judges' eyes.
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02-26-2012 , 02:29 AM
Edgar threw more strikes ya, but Bendos strikes where far more effective and he was closer to finishing the fight at several points.
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02-26-2012 , 02:31 AM
Also, Bendo landed far more kicks both to the legs, midsection and head. And also had numerous knee's that landed. And on top of that he was being the aggressor.
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02-26-2012 , 02:32 AM
had round 3 and 5 for edgar

1-2-4 for bendo with the first close
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02-26-2012 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
had round 3 and 5 for edgar

1-2-4 for bendo with the first close
I can see this. Can't see 49-46 at all.
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02-26-2012 , 02:36 AM
Confirmed worst judged event so far. Mizugaki robbery, 2 judges giving Hioki rd 2, Shields 30-27 x3 and now Edgar losing 49-46 on 2 scorecards. Such incompetence.
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02-26-2012 , 02:37 AM
meh, I could see round 5 for henderson


mizugaki is def a joke the rest I can see the scores.

still dont see how a lot of people/websites couldve given so many rounds to akiyama. He barely landed any strike the whole frickin fight. And I dont know for the people scoring but a judo throw with 0 ground time is worth the same to me as an ugly takedown that the other guy gets up immediatly.

It looks good tho
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02-26-2012 , 02:40 AM
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Also, Bendo landed far more kicks both to the legs, midsection and head. And also had numerous knee's that landed. And on top of that he was being the aggressor.
I dunno---I want to see fightmetric numbers. I thought frankie had a maybe a 5.5:4 advantage in strikes. Did bendo land "harder" . . . yeah, maybe so, but when nobody gets seriously rocked, I have trouble giving "harder strike" points out.
Sure, bendo was "closer to finishing"---with 20 more secs after the upkick he may have stopped him, but that was it. I didn't think the guillotine in the 4th was overly dangerous.
I also thought frankie was on top more. He took him down more often---maybe should have tried harder to LnP.

Oh well, can't believe I'm writing this, I ****ing hate Edgar!

Let's see Bendo vs Pettis rematch with Frank Mir in the booth!
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02-26-2012 , 02:42 AM
if you want to look for arguments for edgar winning rounds its no use talking about the guillotine since its round 4 and very clear to bendo.

You can argue for round 1 and 5 being close and making a point and yadda yadda, imo.

not sure why you hate edgar hes awesome . And so is bendo
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02-26-2012 , 02:47 AM
I'm know I have bias because I train at the lab which Ben now owns and trains at but I'm shocked anyone could score that for Frankie or think this was at all close to a robbery. That upkick did more damage then then culmination of every strike Frankie threw in all rounds combined. His take downs were weak and resulted in zero offense. He took a major beating and maybe scored a few points but everything he through and did was very ineffective in hurting or slowing Ben. I mean he had his leg 10+ times and his corner had to tell him to stop catching it because he couldn't do anything with it.
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02-26-2012 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
if you want to look for arguments for edgar winning rounds its no use talking about the guillotine since its round 4 and very clear to bendo.

You can argue for round 1 and 5 being close and making a point and yadda yadda, imo.

not sure why you hate edgar hes awesome . And so is bendo
I hate him because he beat BJ! Twice!!
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02-26-2012 , 02:48 AM
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still dont see how a lot of people/websites couldve given so many rounds to akiyama. He barely landed any strike the whole frickin fight. And I dont know for the people scoring but a judo throw with 0 ground time is worth the same to me as an ugly takedown that the other guy gets up immediatly.

It looks good tho
So you think Bendo won by landing 1.5x less but harder, and then have Shields winning rounds with the weakest kicks seen by man. Akiyama landed better shots first 2, was coming forward and had takedowns. Second round was obv close, but giving Shields 30-27 x3 is just plain atrocious. That's what you get when the stupidest way you could I guess.
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02-26-2012 , 02:49 AM
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That upkick did more damage then then culmination of every strike Frankie threw in all rounds combined.
I agree with this 100%. But the whacked out scoring system doesn't account for it like that!
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02-26-2012 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mid30sGrinder
I hate him because he beat BJ! ONCE!!
FYP.

Anyways, seems most media/fans are scoring this for Edgar. LOL @ "that upkick did more damage." So you also think Dan Henderson deserved the decision against Shields?

Don't really see how round 5 can be scored for Henderson...Edgar landed more strikes and got a knockdown. Rounds 1 and 3 were close but I thought both were Edgar's. Rounds 2 and 4 were the most clearcut rounds IMO and both were for Bendo, so I knew right when the scores were announced that Henderson had gotten the decision.
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02-26-2012 , 02:56 AM
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FYP.

Anyways, seems most media/fans are scoring this for Edgar. LOL @ "that upkick did more damage." So you also think Dan Henderson deserved the decision against Shields?

Don't really see how round 5 can be scored for Henderson...Edgar landed more strikes and got a knockdown. Rounds 1 and 3 were close but I thought both were Edgar's. Rounds 2 and 4 were the most clearcut rounds IMO and both were for Bendo, so I knew right when the scores were announced that Henderson had gotten the decision.
LOL---I guess the first "win" was when I started hating him so much!
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02-26-2012 , 02:57 AM
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So you think Bendo won by landing 1.5x less but harder, and then have Shields winning rounds with the weakest kicks seen by man. Akiyama landed better shots first 2, was coming forward and had takedowns. Second round was obv close, but giving Shields 30-27 x3 is just plain atrocious. That's what you get when the stupidest way you could I guess.
akiyama landed crap

he had like 2 significant strikes that didnt phase shields at all.

ANd yeah I'd take the guy landing 10 weak jabs over one big punch that doesnt rock.

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Anyways, seems most media/fans are scoring this for Edgar.
no way.
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02-26-2012 , 03:00 AM
Way buddy. 2 of 3 Sherdog media, BloodyElbow, and MMAfighting all scored for Edgar. 3 of 4 in my informal couch poll of people I watched with had Edgar. Most on this board seem to have Edgar.
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02-26-2012 , 03:02 AM
in edf mma seems like 100% of posters thought hendo won. Ah well, those medias also thought akiyama won...
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02-26-2012 , 03:04 AM
Typical. Bendo's one of my favorites, I had a big bet on Ben over Anthony Pettis and he loses, haven't bet on him since and he goes on a tear and now has the UFC strap.
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02-26-2012 , 03:07 AM
Fighter Sig. Str. Sig. Str. % Total Str. TD Sub. Att. Pass Rev.
Henderson 87 of 264 33% 100 of 277 1 of 1 3 0 0
Edgar 68 of 190 36% 81 of 204 5 of 12 0 0 0


http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3725
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02-26-2012 , 03:11 AM
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So you think Bendo won by landing 1.5x less but harder,
oink oink

should only say stuff like that after you see numbers so you dont embarass yourself
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02-26-2012 , 03:11 AM
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I agree with this 100%. But the whacked out scoring system doesn't account for it like that!
Right but I'm still not seeing how it's close.

You can give Frankie more strike and more takedowns and on paper that means something but the judges are watching the fights and I'm not seeing how anyone who watched that didn't see how ineffective they were.

Ben's strikes while fewer (but I didn't think significantly it will be interesting to see the stats) were far more effecitve and that is a judging criteria it's not whoever throws the most wins it just generally happens the person who throws the most is the aggressor and generally causes more damage but that wasn't at all the case in this fight. ben controlled the pace, was the aggressor as most of Frank's strikes were counters or weak attempts after catching kicks. Ben twice in different rounds had Frankie in real trouble while was never in trouble himself in any round. All but one takedown Frankie had were scrambles which resulted in nothing.

I just fail to see how this isn't viewed as a 1 sided beat down. I feel like people were watching a different fight then me.
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