Watched Tate vs Rounda, first time I watch woman fight, and I got to say, it somehow felt wrong. Seeing those beautiful woman hash it out like that, idk.

Also, in a battle between a 75 kg man, 180 cm tall, with no previous experience of martial arts except for having watched ****loads of UFC, and Rounda, who would win?

I feel pretty confident Rousey would armbar me and I think I fit the description there, I'm 6'1, 170 lol.

The ladies were puttin on better scraps than the men tonight -_-Kaufman/Davis on the undercard was a fkn barnburner.

What, we have more than 12-15 kg on her and +12 cm on her. Beside, if you're decently athletic, couldn't you just overpower her?

No.

I'm not so sure about it, I think I would have a decent chance, especially if I could land a big punch before it goes to the ground.

I am reasonably athletic, I play a ton of pickup basketball/soccer and enjoy lifting weights/running so I'm in pretty good shape but I still am nearly certain I would be armbarred. Olympic gold medal-level Judo here, boss.

I posited your question to my friend who is like 11-2 as an amateur fighters and I believe 0-1 as a pro. He confirmed my belief and said Rousey would "toss most men on their heads."

Ya, it's prolly true, I just can't stand the fact that a woman below my weightclass could **** me up in a fight. Though, I can 100% outrun her, so that's something I guess... Even though it would make me question my manhood.

Yeah my friend said he's been doing BJJ for 7 years and he's sure Rousey would armbar him, but he's also like a bantamweight so take that for what it's worth. And he's apparently 1-1 as a pro lol whoops.

There's videos of her sparring w Mousasi and Karo and she's holding her own. They're obv not going full force but to think a man with no training could stand a chance vs her is laughable.

yeah i bet she could take me and the average 2p2er at the same time.

Unless you're a MW+ and probably LHW with at least mid level combat training (successful amateur record etc) you're getting armbarred by Rousey

I'm a walk-around LW (would probably cut to BW if I was a competitor) and I doubt i'd last a minute against her and i'm in decent shape, granted with no real combat sports training

An interesting one would be Cris Cyborg vs a mid level flyweight guy or something like that say Louis Gaudinot or something (assuming he has to fight at 125 and she can at 145). I'd imagine a top level flyweight man would win though due to testosterone but who knows.

Back on topic, does anyone feel Joe Warren is live against Pat Curran or not? I haven't seen Curran fight enough to know.

Also keen to hear what some of you guys (swift, mo, etc) have to say about Alvarez/Aoki, anyone like either side and want to do a breakdown?

Che Mills has looked good against bad competition (Hecht, Cope) and is taking a huge step up vs Rory Mac but he's +377 and should be +400 or better by fight time, semi-tempting for the punchers chance

Torres -120 vs Michael McDonald, anyone have a reason to convince me that it isn't a bet?



Lil'Nog +231 Pinny is tempting, Gustaffson is -225 on Sportsbook so theres a small arb there if anyone wants it. I kinda feel like Lil'Nog should only be a +150 to +160ish dog though so im tempted to throw a unit down. Lil'Nog did take damage against Tito early though which worries me given that Gustaffson will be infinitely more damaging if he connects, Lil'Nog's chin is solid though and he has power.

If Lil'Nog can get it to the ground somehow he should have an advantage there we all saw what Davis did to Gustaffson

I definitely like Curran against Warren. He's a way more complete mixed martial artist and should be a good enough wrestler/athlete to stop Warren's takedown game, which has not translated into MMA as well as his credentials would suggest. His striking game is solid and Warren just gets lit up by anyone with reasonable technique on the feet. Further, Warren has simply not demonstrated that he can convincingly beat high level mixed martial artists. Plenty of people thought he lost to Karakhanyan, nobody besides two of the three judges scored the Freire fight for him (I think I had it 29-27 Freire), Joe Soto MAULED him for 5m before he got one-hit quit, and against Galvao once again nobody besides the judges thought he won.

I am definitely going to be on Gustafsson against Nog. I think this is going to be a big breakout performance for the Mauler, think he may even finish Nog. Nog's head movement is nearly nonexistent. That is NOT going to bode well when Gustafsson starts throwing hands at him.

Yeah I was thinking Mills looked tempting too but I don't think I've watched him fight yet so meh. Like Torres too, but again I need to watch McDonald fight some more.

I see no reason Alvarez can't do what Melendez did to Aoki but then again Alvarez is not as physical as Melendez and he got subbed pretty quickly the first time he fought Aoki. Probably will stay away.

Thats a good point on head movement, reach + power of gustaffson will be dangerous. Lil'nog is a much more complete martial artist, who i've gone from underrating to potentially overrating after his last few fights. Maybe ill stay away. Nog has the power to turn out the lights but he'll have to get inside the reach to do it which may be tough. If Lilnog had better wrestling credentials id be very tempted, I def think he can win on the ground but Gustaffson has the edge standing especially if neither of them are fighting particularly aggressively, Gustaffson can jab him from distance until he's hurt

Mills beat Chris Cope very impressively and one sidedly at 138, I havent seen the rest of his fights though and Cope is only borderline UFC level competition. rory mac should wrestle**** him but I feel like he has power and a punchers chance so at +377 to what will likely be +400 thats tempting

On Torres, McDonald has never fought anyone as good as him and won a split against a lower mid tier guy from memory although I havent seen mcdonald fight much, Torres is very tempting

First bet for UFC 145 - 2.4u to win 2u on Torres at -120

Torres wants redemption, is more experienced and McDonald has never faced anyone on his level. Torres is also -145ish on all the other books so seems like a good spot since the pinny line is likely to move to match them id say.

Any one got any, ultimate surrender wrestler picks?

I noticed you have been trailing MMA Professor's picks also the past couple months. Hard to argue with his reults, he has made me a chunk, gl.

Dammit, Nog got hurt and Gustafsson now fighting Thiago Silva. I was so confident in that pick...any thoughts on new matchup? Favor Gustafsson I think, been so long since I've watched Silva fight anyone good though...

I have really been impressed with Gustafsson's striking. He is improving as a 25 yo, and seems to be picking his spots better and managing the ring and fight better as he gains experience.

He is soo unorthodox it is always tough to hadicap his fights. But he has shown a better sense of timing and letting the fight come to him. In his win over Hammill, he was careful making sure the fight never hit the ground blocking several takedown attempts(6 according to fightmetric). He patiently waited until the second round to lauch his all out fist attack always careful to avoid any chance to engage Hammill at what he does best, wrestle.

I think he is maturing as a fighter and will win much more than 70% of the time making him a viable ML bet. However, only ONE of his fights has ever gone the distance and that was 3.5 years ago. I will incorporate this tendency in my bets on him Saturday to win under the distance for a better price. His strikes are too fierce and once he lands them at the right distance and location the fight will end quickly.

I would also be a little concerned about Silva's conditioning, regardless of how prepared he claims to be for this fight. Against Hammill, Gustaffason showed good conditioning nimbly bouncing around the ring. He was always relaxed, never winded and calculated his spot to attack perfectly. When the opportunity came as Hammill seemed a bit frusterated at following him around the ring and not be able to take him down, the fight was over fast. His power punches seem to pack more much more power than even most "knockout artist" at his weight.

I really hope Gustaffson sends Thiago 'not consistent with human urine' Silva crashing to the mat.

I'd say Gustaffson -190 Silva +190 maybe?

I hope so too. However, Gustaffsons odds just went down. This is a much tougher fight for him than the nog fight just bc Silva is a physically stronger guy and has better takedowns than Nog. I hope we don't see a repeat of Silva vs Vera. I do think, at some point, he's going to get taken down, just like he got taken down vs Te Huna, question is if he can be kept down. Silva is a striker, but he's not a striker striker. Just like the Kongo case. So I see him having trouble w Gustaffson who has better footmovement, headmovement, faster,better timing and has generally better boxing skills/technique.

I'd take, say, Jason Pierre-Paul even though he's had no combat training AFAIK.

See the bit where I said up to middleweight and possibly LHW?
According to wiki, JPP is 278lb, meaning he'd have to cut weight to even be a HW

After a certain point, size/weight advantage would become too much. A lot of 270lb athletic guys could probably win a fight against a UFC-level bantamweight male too. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a man at 185lbs with no combat training that could beat Rousey more than 50% of the time on his first try.

You said they needed to be at least that big AND have combat training.

The argument changes drastically once you're talking about high level athletes as opposed to a normal guy, which is what the original question seemed to imply.

I think a MJD would power out of an armbar attempt like it was nothing, even the tiny tiny guys like Sproles, Harvin or Warrick Dunn would smash her face in prbly. I imagine they have some sick grip strength w/o ever taking a grappling class.

They'd be darting around her like Dodson, they could just circle her and kick her leg to pieces. Good luck getting them down