I'd call R1 of Held-Clementi a 10-10. Neither really landed any strikes, the entire round was a grappling war with them trying to land leg locks, heel hooks etc and failing.

Held wins by toehold submission R2. At least the judges can't steal that one from me.

Ahh alright, thanks . Sadly I'm betting kampmann lol

I heard its a 30-27 borderline lol...sorry man. Prolly will watch a bit later.

Didn't see R1 but nobody on the internet had it for Tirloni. Round 3 was vaguely close but Tirloni landed more significant strikes and controlled the cage. The problem was, at the end of the round, Jansen (probably aware that he was losing) started spamming takedowns at Tirloni and landed one of them with like 15 secs left. Tirloni got back to his feet with Jansen struggling to get his back and that's how the round ended. I thought "I bet there's at least one ******ed judge who thinks a random takedown at the end of the round makes up for Tirloni controlling and winning the fight for the whole round prior to that". Yep.

It's like they employ special on probation judges and refs for bellator. Almost every other decision seems to end in a split, including fights that should be 30-27, it's insane.

Tirloni won the last 2 rounds big, I can't even understand what criteria you can use to give either to Jansen. A suplex with 10 seconds left that he does nothing with (in a round that was 4:50+ standup) that Tirloni gets back up from right away? He got blasted with powershots at will... The only round that was close was the first, which Jansen prob got cause of the kd, (and the td's at the end that didn't do anything), but he got outstruck for the most part there too.

My stream was a bit crappy but I think the commentators said Jansen managed to cut Tirloni's face in R3, so I guess it was either that or the suplex? God knows. The worst part is that even though I thought Tirloni had won fairly clearly I posted this:

Because the reality is that if the round is close at all, judge verdicts are like flipping coins.

I can't moan too much because I had Edgar/Bendo rigged in my favour at UFC 150, but it's infuriating losing money because the judges are awful. I don't know why the UFC/Bellator put up with it tbh, seems like a pretty simple fix to have 5 judges every fight. It's def not just a Bellator problem, there was Dunham - Grant at UFC 152 for instance, when Doug Crosby gave it to Grant 30-27 when it was just inconceivable that anyone could think he won one of the rounds.

My God. On a whim I googled the name Doug Crosby to see if he has history making bad decisions. First thing I encountered was UFC 129:

You would have to be pretty dense to do that... but OK, guy made a mistake. But the next thing was UFC 112, the controversial Penn v Edgar fight that Edgar "won". Crosby scored all five rounds for Edgar. This was his explanation of why:

I mean, is this real life? Dude repeatedly hands down ridiculous verdicts completely at odds with everyone else who watches the fight, then defends it with reference to "dictating the tone of the fight", "executing a strategy", "outworking" and other things that don't appear in the judging criteria. Why does he still have a job?

lol ya that 50-45 is the stuff of legend. Crosby is known to be among the worst.

Btw if you wanna know anything about judges or any decisions in MMA history just go to MMAdecisions.com

So I watched the fight. First I would narrowly give to Jansen. He was outstruck for most of the round but I am big on knockdowns soooo sure. Other 2 clearly Tirloni, who could have been had as high as +170 I believe earlier in the week.

This was a textbook application of what I call "The Law of Slams." The Law of Slams states that if a fighter gets at least one slam in a given round, said fighter WILL be awarded the round at least 70% of the time by at least 2 judges, and every subsequent slam after the first raises the chance of winning the round by 5%.

Completely disregard any lack of meaningful offense after the slam of course because like...DUDE HE SLAMMED HIM OMG TEN NINE.

The most ridic judging I ever saw was this seasons TUF, Michael Hill vs Secor, where they went into r3 and Secor had Hills back for like 3 mins or something, and the rest of the time, no one did anything really, and somehow Hill wins the fight anyway. It's absolutely idiotic, I would like to ask those judges wtf they where thinking.

I vaguely knew about the 50-45 Edgar decision, I just didn't know he was the same dude who later made another completely indefensible decision in Durham - Grant. Like the dude is clearly not just not good at MMA judging but actively terrible at it, yet not only does he have a job judging MMA but it's in the highest league in the world. Just wtf how does this happen? It blows my mind.

Tirloni opened at +160 not +170 I believe, but yeah. I had him at +145. Still pretty ridiculous for a guy who was clearly the better fighter.

It probably has something to do with politics, where even if you make a horrendes decision, the other judges have your back, kinda like it is in whatever department, colleagues looking after one another. That's a real shame, it should be like it is in football, where if a referee makes bad decisions in a important game, he is likely to never get that kind of opportunity to referee again on a high level.

I wonder why UFC doesn't have their own inofficial judges, like some times Dana says I gave this guy his win bonus because he ldo won(dunham sherk fight), he should just have his own judges determining the official rankings and he can still keep the old ones(because he has to). Dunno if that's legal though.

Obviously I stay up til 2am watching tape on Costa and Ring to decide there was value on Costa at -250, and now it's canceled the next day.

USA USA chants could have likely influenced the decision too, there's prob a bunch of hick judges swayed by crowds.

Carvalho/Menjivar/Dos Anjos/GSP parlay now that Menjivar is down to -225.

5u on GSP (-333)
2u on Stout (-200)
2u on RDA (-160)
1.5u on Kampmann (+120)
1u on Carmont (-275)
1u on Siler (-110)
1u on Ghashimov (+225)
1u on Damm (+225)
1u on Siler/Stout/RDA/Carmont/GSP (+725)

Bets for tonight:
2.5u on RDA @ -140
2u on GSP by unanimous dec @ +105
1u on GSP by dec @ -142
1u on Kampmann by sub @ +895
1u on RDA/Bocek goes the distance @ -190
1u on Azamat @ +240 (tailing ChrisV on this one)
1u on Riddle @ -150
0.5u on Stout by dec @ +135
0.5u on Garza by sub @ +655
0.33u on Kampmann/Hendricks ITD @ +160

what time are the prelims starting?

6:35 EST... (in 20 minutes)

Siler is tough as nails, but he is getting outclassed by grinder Elkins.

He's getting brutalised. 20-18 Elkins so far, only out for Siler is to knock him the **** out in R3. Don't see it happening.

Siler looks like a joke. Where the hell is the dude who dominated Cole Miller? Jesus.

Well, Elkins made Brandao look like an amateur in r2 and 3. He's just tired as hell now from defending. But seems Siler has awful TDD.

Omg just sucked out huge. Realized I forgot to bet Siler because I was waiting for the line to move more in his favor because it seemed money was coming in on Elkins. Then I got caught up sweating football. Whew.

Impressive from Elkins.