Don't they have those masks to train for elevation?

those don't work

AFAIK there is nothing that properly emulates living and training at elevation except actually being at elevation.

Might as well put a plastic bag over your head, cheaper and same results

Michel Pereira

Fight Betting / Diego Sanchez v Michel Pereira
Stake for this bet: £350
Potential Returns: £565


ill take my lumps if this goes south, this is free money is what that is, Pereira has some of the nicest movement strength explosive and high intensity fighting i have seen, this ends inside the first round. Diego is way way way over the hill, his chin is totally shot, movement easy to discombobulate (put into a loss of coordination), this is a miss match, Pereira is a possible challenge to a/the champ ,never mind a past it brawler. look at his body, his core strength, internally he is a giant.



free money, i lose this it was a solid read, know your library of fighters capabilities and status on their path, this dude Pereira is movement city, a fresh cat out of im going to do some Capoeira into a one handed extended spinning hand stand between rounds just because it looks good.


Ill have some of this at @8/13 all day long, this is why you are still here betting mma after seven years for spots like this,

nudge me when they are scraping diego off the canvas...

Brutal, ref better be ready to step in fast and look to help Diego once its obvious the fight is over.

What a boneheaded knee to a grounded opponent. That's a good move if you're in a real hurry for the UFC to cut you.

LMAO, never underestimate the craftiness of a veteran!

*nudge*

*nudge*

*nudge*

They just scraped Diego off the canvas.


Ref and Doc were trying to goat him into continuing but Diego wasn't having any of that crap!

Yeah, but this really makes no sense. They are randomly calling every illegal knee intentional now because of the clear cut illegal one earlier?

1. It was inadvertant

2. It was after 2.5mins in the 3rd, which means they should go to the cards;
i.e. a technical decision if it's from an unintentional foul.

Sanchez was clearly fishing for a DQ, and was on the way down, it wasn't a blatant foul like before. Don't see how any competent referee can fall for this.

Sort of tilts me that they pretty much change the rules on the fly, and nobody has any idea what is going on, what commission/rules they are using, and that's including the commentary team and the referees.

not really sure what im looking at here think ill cool my mma betting untill next year when they have figured out what ever it is they need to work on,

Michel Pereira won the fight and Diego Sanchez tainting his legacy as a warrior,

There is zero wrong with him, people know when fighters have been badly impacted, his eye is more than fine and putting on a false crunch of the eye for 20 seconds then relaxing and going back to daisy fresh ready to go when ref walks away, is what it is.




Solid 8/13 play

professional fighters seem to need more muscle memory practise that the knee in that position is not on the menu,

what are trainers teaching in the gym at the moment?

Edit: Correct fight should be stopped at that point as fighter unable to continue with the W going to Pereira,

If it was the other way around and Deigo kneed Pereira brutally after Deigo was winning by wide margin, then you have course to resolve the matter through dq.

It was a fake claim of injury, the eye was not touched and little to no blood impacting vision,

At worse stop the fight in a way betters get their money back... no one gets the w there or you give it to Pereira.. no?

With a clean face:

"I can't see ... the blood."

Its called bullshit, and the ref is paid as a professional to see and act accordingly to it, When the ref saw that and he knew 100% that a false claim of injury was being put forward then there was two options, the fight was called a NC or what ever it is that betters have their funds returned, or the fight at that late stage is move to a W to Pereira as fighter unable to continue which I guess is a tko

Whats the point of being in the cage at this stage of the game (Diego Sanchez ) if not to give your legit best self to the craft, your in there stealing stale apples in the golden apple orchard of forever.

well played...

(Diego was doing impressively well in there althou well behind, both fighters lost some thing tonight, Diego a little more thou.......)

Jon Jones was so happy to see Corey Anderson KO'ed. Great KO by Jan but it's hard to market him in the US so my guess is they'll try to do Jones vs Reyes II and use Jan as a backup plan if negotiations go sour.

It's even funnier that the doctor cleared him, but Diego is like "no no I really can't continue" after asking if it's a DQ.

For reference, see what happened during the Cerrone/Varner fight for the same type of foul late in the fight:

https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/WE...aybyPlay-15924

Also, Bisping vs. Belchor with a fight ending foul:

https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UF...ichael-bisping

It really is a technical decision, unless the foul is very blatant, but this was clearly not and Pereira was 10-8ing every round so far lolz.

"I can't see... uhh, the blood in my eye"

10/10 bluff with air and ref snap folded

Thats an interesting point, if the doctor clears you and you refuse to fight on then you take that off your own back, what you say want has zero impact on what the proceeding events will be post the doctor call else whats the point of the doctor being in the cage as an official, his word means more than the ref, he holds life and death in the cage.


The fight was called off incorrectly due to fraudulent actions of a fighter but even that is not important, what is important is the fight should have proceeded both because it was morally and ethically right and also technically it was right.

This is a mis-judgement,

UFC have infrastructure issue, rule processes problem.

This is not patty cake patty cake, there are hard and firm rules that have to be adhered to so that people can participate in the proceedings.

Fighter, ref, judge commentators doctor and large amount of the people at the event as soon as the doctor called it fine to go, then saw Diago do that.. it should have been a known path to win for per

its a good highlight LasFuentes

So many butt hurt gamblers here. Pereira meant to knee him in the head, so that is an intentional knee. Diego did the smart thing by not continuing. You don't take an illegal blow like that to the head and continue. The ref tried to goat him into continuing. Remember the ref goated Struve to continue fighting and then Struve got knocked out. As for the doctor, that dumbass thought he was checking a cut or something lol.

Don't say you're surprised to see Pereira do this. He may be the dumbest fighter in the UFC. This is the 2nd straight fight he's lost because he's boneheaded idiot. Surprised to see someone thinks he'll be champion some day. Not at 170lbs, he won't be. Diego should be fighting at 155lbs but Pereira should be fighting at 185lbs. He has trouble making 170lbs and the top guys will just wrestle **** him to death until he gasses. Jose Aldo was the last male brazilian champ in the UFC, and it seems like a lot of these young guys from Brazil are more flash than substance. It's fun to watch but those wild moves are going to leave Pereira wide open to get taken down.

Difference being that Dan warned Struve that he's up 2 rounds and it was going to be a *NC* otherwise. That was like the 3rd or 4th time he got hit hard in the same way. Had it been the 3rd round they would have gone to the TD.

Here Pereira was winning big and it was the first foul. Diego also got kneed as he was going from a standing position to a grounded after he already got hurt by several knees to the body/head. Doesn't seem too intentional with 2 mins left on the clock, just heat of the moment. The outcome would have been different in LV, or had a more no nonsense ref like BJM or Mirg been refereeing.

This was just Diego seeing someone get a win earlier tonight and seizing the opportunity. Not sure if it's a smart decision career wise, his actions were on tape and he forever tarnished his legacy. I guess at most he gets another 1-2 UFC fights than he would have otherwise, but can't see anyone being too happy with the outcome.

It was a very blatant damaging foul that no professional fighter should make at this level. Particularly when you are longer, bigger, faster than your opponent. Everything was going in slow motion for Pereira so there's no excuse for throwing such a careless strike. I personally don't like the rule and wish strikes like that could be thrown, but it's a rule and as such you can't be that stupid.

You somehow gave Pereira 10-8 rounds in rounds 1 and 2 which is impossible. Maybe you were watching one of his previous fights (perhaps one of the few that he didn't lose or cause a no contest).

I don't think Diego tarnished his legacy by making a +EV decision in a meaningless fight. But regardless, what if he had blurry vision? Are you saying he should have continued despite receiving blurry vision from an illegal blow?

There are people being paid proper adult professional wages to ensure that we are not having to discuss this, this way.


The doctors input into the status of fighters has more bearing than "are they ok"

Their input is a factor into the situation of the fight proper.

There is a W in the cage that some one has to TAKE not steal by "pretending" to be injured because that is what happened there, already evaulated rules and processes are in place to ensure that is NOT AN OPTION for a fighter to take.


Degio was more than fine,, if he was or was not is gauged not by the ref at that point or himself

when the fight is held up from proceeding and the "result"

The doctor has to clarify is there a fighter able to proceed towards the W the "money", life money and success is not free it needs to be worked towards legitimately, they are both in there to try to WIN..


Ducking out from fighting when you CAN proceed is as bad or WORSE than the knee.

Correct?

This is why the doctors "ruling" over rules any thing that comes out of the face of any one else in the cage.

If you are ok to fight but dont.. then your time is finshed in the cage and you have forfeited the result to the other party in the cage attempting to legitimately win by fighting.

You have stopped fighting, for what ever reason, it can be from the damage, it can be from mental issues, it can be from fear..

All is clariofied by the doctor else get him out of the cage, give the fighters sticks clubs or knifes and allow the fight to continue until only one man is still alive..

You see the point?

Its a measure, there are rules in operation in there to ensure "totally satisifaction" by both fighters, by all in attendance, and by party's at home as fans and or betters.


the fight result is invalid and its either a NQ or W goes to Pereira.

This is not a game of pulling fast ones,

When you buckle up to see high performance fighting it has to be guided governored looked after so that nothing incorrect happens.


This is a failed fight attempt due to its failed judgement towards the end.


I dont know what any one is doing in that cage that is official, they are paid most likely very well and study and know all rules.


fighter has zero say on what happens post doctor reviewing status of the fighter.

Im sure this will come up in the post fight conference as a major mistake.

You don't think the guy who was always viewed as this crazy no quit "warrior" damages his career by overuling the doctor who allowed him to continue and he can't see, because of... blood? while also asking the ref whether he gets a DQ if he can no longer continue? Lol ok. It was the opposite of +Ev, it was longterm -EV but shorterm +$ move for the win bonus.

As to the foul, the only thing that matters is whether it was *intentional* or not. We have seen the benefit of the doubt given on *most* instances of knees being labeled unintentional when it's a heat of a moment type thing, especially so late in the fight with no previous fouls. It was entirely expected for this to be deemed unintentional and going to the cards in the form of a technical decision. I showed you a case there, in the Varner-Cerrone fight where the same thing happened. Now there's been a few outright DQ's on knees, like the one earlier tonight, where they are very blatant, and there was no doubt as to the intention, but they are extremely rare.

Even the Guillard over Pearson knee, which was massive, and way more egregious than this, was given a NC.

Also, you don't think with Borg and Shvilli getting 30-25 from some judges with blanketing type performances, that some of those same judges were giving Pereira 10-8s? Lol.

That's why there is a doctor in the cage to clarify what is the situation.

He was kneed to the top of the head, not the eye, ill have to watch it back.

It is what it is, he ducked out of the fight after losing the whole event start to finish.

The worse situation would have been.. he was actually really badily affected by the knee for realz, it did not look like it from looking at it, the doctor saw a healthy fighter, cleared him to fight, the fight continued, and he was later knocked out or hurt badly from real head eye issues.

but that's why the doctor is in the cage earning most likely plus $1000 an hour if not more.


Amature hour, Keystone Cops type situation.. banging from pillar to pillar, doctor to fighter to ref, when the fighters input had no impact on the final call there.


Will take a betting break let there be a retraining of process through out UFC boots on the ground, no one knows the rules.

i mean you cant throw intentional illegal shots then expect your opponent to continue. its pretty simple, diego did the smart play.

yes we all know that and that would be all she wrote except you me every one in this thread, every one in the cage, every one in the audance and every one at home watching knew he was ok to continue and was sealed and verified by the doctor clearing him, else get the doctor out of the cage as he has zero business being in the cage.

Why is doctor in the cage?

What the fighter wants or does once the fighting stops means nothing, there are officials in place and procedures. there is a bonafide fight underway being governed by professionals with + 3,510,15,20 years of experience.


the fight has been judged incorrectly, it is a W to Pereira or failing that it is a no contest and punters betting money are returned or given back as credit for future events.

embarrassing

If I lost the bet in a valid correct way then great.. line up the next fight, as is
I can not bet further as this is boxing type proceedings.

The word of the ref is proceeded by the word of the doctor, the chain, the logic, has been broken.

It's not really so much on Diego continuing or not, it's the ref/commission randomly deciding to treat all illegal knees the same for the first time all of a sudden, and deem an iffy knee (iffy in terms of intent, since he hit him with legal knees as well to the body and head before then Diego falls and becomes a grounded fighter), with 2 mins left in an otherwise clean fight, where the guy throwing it was handily winning and did not gain anything by breaking the rules, an intentional foul and DQ.