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02-09-2020 , 10:27 AM




look at those pulling away stats rd 1 through 3

you dont win a fight and compensate such disparity with a few non event take downs no?

i have it Reyes, if Jon had started landing some unanswered but the guy was always popping back, all that movement for 5 rounds, really nice.

If you win 3 rounds that dominate and then don't get dominated in the second two, then who wins?

The only saving grace is the concept you have to really beat the champion to become the champion, it was Jon walking forward into the end of the 5th... if that is what counts.

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02-09-2020 , 01:41 PM
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I guess i'd need to rewatch the fight, just my friend and I had the same analysis of 'it could be 20-18 or 19-19' after r2 and we both thought that Reyes won the third

On stats Reyes had a sig strike advantage all three rounds, I just remember what I saw live being sure of r1/3 and not sure of 2

I actually haven't watched the Lewis fight yet, I assume not worth watching and i'll just read the recap, just saw the score and was relieved my bet won with it going the distance

Someone on Betfair wants 50k on Hooker at -116 against Felder, so i'm pretty tempted to take the -120 as this far out with 1k market limits etc that has to be sharp money probably trying to build a position by offering the best price on the market. With a decent chance of the fight being close and Hooker being the hometown fighter though I do lean that side

The only other spot i'm really looking forward to is mashing Khabib against Tony. Would be sick to see Tony solve the puzzle, but I think he just gets taken down and smeshed and while yes, his cardio is ridiculous, i'm not sure his TDD is good enough to not just get taken down until he can't win a decision and he'll get finished a bunch and if not will have to finish Khabib late somehow after being badly beaten up for multiple rounds

Tony's in a weird spot where he's the best all round fighter in the division in a lot of ways but I just don't think he can hang with Conor on the feet and I don't think he can hang with Khabib in the grappling game. Willing to be proven wrong though. I do have Tony beating everyone else in the division obv.

Nothing I like at first glance for next card, but a ton of fights where i'm familiar with one fighter but not the other so need to do research etc
Tony like a jack of all trades type of guy, good in a lot of things but not excellent like his opponents in 1 aspect of the game. When a specialist does what he does and executes perfectly it's almost impossible to compete against even if its mixed martial arts, that doesn't matter vs an elite specialist.

I agree with the Khabib fight but still have my doubts vs Conor, Tony has excellent stand up, I'm not sold that Conor dominates him, in fact I'd argue Tony wins that fight if he makes it out of the 1st round.
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02-09-2020 , 03:20 PM
At some point I’m gonna go back and rescore the fight but I’m not sure I can do it right now still too salty.
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02-09-2020 , 03:49 PM
I just rewatched rounds 2 and 3 and both are clearly Reyes wins. Jones was mostly just point fighting. Not sure how you can give a point fighter a round when he is landing less strikes than his opponent who is throwing with heat. Also, Jones's takedown attempt was stuffed easily in round 3. Technically he had two takedowns stuffed but one was at the end of the round and the earlier one he was in deep with and Reyes had no problem whatsoever stuffing it.

Jones Takedown attempts by round

Round 1
0 for 2

Round 2
0 for 0

Round 3
0 for 2

Round 4
1 for 3

Round 5
1 for 2

And that takedowns he got he was not able to maintain nor do anything with them.
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02-09-2020 , 03:55 PM
People still looking for that mythical creature that can stop Khabib's takedowns. Justin Gaethje is that guy right. He's that guy that Khabib will beat in the clinch, takedown, and then beat in the standup too. Better bring back welterweight Tibau. Pretty sure Khabib would take him down some if given a 2nd crack at it.
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02-09-2020 , 06:38 PM
Rogan takes a narrative in rd1 and can't jump off the wagon. Cruz s forced to agree and you end up with ridiculous bias.

"Reyes lands a nice kick" and the response is "that takes a lot of energy to deliver"

All fight it was ridiculous... Cruz going on about Championship rounds insinuating that they mean more then rd1 or 2. The facts are the td is scored right after each round and can't be reversed later.
Must rewatch rd3 but I think Reyes won it and the commentary was as bad as Cyborgs last UFC fight.

Jones is off the juice and looks very human. With his last 2 performances DC would wreck him.
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02-09-2020 , 07:08 PM
Cruz casually said that Reyes was ahead at some point in Round 5.
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02-10-2020 , 04:37 AM
How often do the Atheletic commission judges who referee the UFC fight get bribed?

I doubt they get paid much. But could make hundreds of thousands per match.

Wouldn't surprise if a Chinese bookie would be doing this again, this time in UFC.
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02-10-2020 , 01:05 PM
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Rogan takes a narrative in rd1 and can't jump off the wagon. Cruz s forced to agree and you end up with ridiculous bias.

"Reyes lands a nice kick" and the response is "that takes a lot of energy to deliver"

All fight it was ridiculous... Cruz going on about Championship rounds insinuating that they mean more then rd1 or 2. The facts are the td is scored right after each round and can't be reversed later.
Must rewatch rd3 but I think Reyes won it and the commentary was as bad as Cyborgs last UFC fight.

Jones is off the juice and looks very human. With his last 2 performances DC would wreck him.
I think Joe was just dumbfounded by what he was seeing. It was pretty clear Reyes was winning that fight from R1. Shitty decision for bettors but overall it was a great fight and the most trouble we have ever seen Jon in.

I also give Joe credit for being the most vocal person to call out shitty judging even before the main event. Most other guys in the booth would be scared to rock the boat and make offensive comments like that.

I really like Joe as a commentator because I think he is giving his personal honest opinion - even if its wrong. I will take Joe any day over most other guys like Anik who to me is a zero personality company man that will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.
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02-10-2020 , 01:07 PM
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How often do the Atheletic commission judges who referee the UFC fight get bribed?
It is impossible to know. There was bad decisions all night so my guess is more just that the judges sucked.

Also it is incredibly risky. What if you pay off the judges only to have your guy get knocked out? You just wasted a huge chunk of change.
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02-10-2020 , 05:13 PM
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It is impossible to know. There was bad decisions all night so my guess is more just that the judges sucked.

Also it is incredibly risky. What if you pay off the judges only to have your guy get knocked out? You just wasted a huge chunk of change.
If you had the judges in your pocket, trust me it’d be worth it even with that outcome
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02-10-2020 , 05:51 PM
Some guys just have a judge friendly style. You have guys like Bendo who always looks busy and gets decisions/closely contested fights which he shouldn't. Holly Holm ishing and wall n stalling without much effectiveness, etc. You can speculate until you are blue in the face if there is corruption in MMA, but there are a lot of things going for Jones when he heads into cloely contested decisions.

One, he is the face of MMA and everyone knows about the "GOAT" talk, troubles, etc. his face is in the media all the time so the judges are by default affected by the mere exposure effect, much more so than other fighters. This will influence the judging and they will be way more likely to give him a close round.

Two, there is something akin to zig zagging in boxing. This is an actual thing I heard - I think it was one of the old school boxing referees who who came up with it and indoctrinated it in a lot of judges across the Nevada boxing scene since he was part of the training committee as well. He said something along the lines that when multiple rounds are close-ish to split the rounds between fighters, and go 1 1, instead of 2-0. Not sure on all the specifics, but I heard him mention it in an interview sometime way back. In any case these are the same guys who also judge MMA.

Jones is also a pressure fighter always going forward, this influences perception especially with that dumb octagon control **** they have been mentioning in every broadcast lately. He also tends to finish rounds stronger than when he started them, so that plays a factor too.

Then there's things like crowd noise and reactions which favor the hometown guy/popular fighters. Not sure if this played much of a role here, but as a rule of thumb it's good to keep in mind.

And finally you had the Texas commission, and a bunch of inept people who were judging these events. Weird **** was bound to happen.

Rounds 2 and 3 were fairly close so it was reasonable to expect a split there, and 4 was probably going to Jones due to his late pressure and 5 was clearly Jones.
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02-10-2020 , 07:39 PM
I think they definitely do that in MMA.

Round 1 wsa definitely Reyes. They see round 2 not as dominant so give it to Jones so it is even. I feel like that happens a ton in the controversial or close decisions. They just want to the fight to be close going in to the next round. It is a terrible way to judge.
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02-11-2020 , 12:10 AM
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I also give Joe credit for being the most vocal person to call out shitty judging even before the main event. Most other guys in the booth would be scared to rock the boat and make offensive comments like that.

I really like Joe as a commentator because I think he is giving his personal honest opinion - even if its wrong. I will take Joe any day over most other guys like Anik who to me is a zero personality company man that will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.
Joe calling out refs is not deviating from the company line. Judges are not part of the company and Dana has frequently called out judges himself. Dana is getting a little bit smarter about it deflecting a little and saying things like he's not a judge so who is he to criticize.

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I think they definitely do that in MMA.

Round 1 wsa definitely Reyes. They see round 2 not as dominant so give it to Jones so it is even. I feel like that happens a ton in the controversial or close decisions. They just want to the fight to be close going in to the next round. It is a terrible way to judge.
While it is supposed to be scored round by round, I think it's very natural for one to score close rounds in favor of the fighter that is behind though because you don't want the fight decided before it's actually decided.

For instance, in a 3 round fight If Fighter X won a close round 1 and then round 2 was close, a judge isn't going to award Fighter X with round 2 because Fighter Y would be drawing close to dead to win a decision even though he barely lost the first 2 rounds and we don't even know what will happen in round 3 yet.

Imagine the fight is scored properly and Fighter X is awarded the first 2 rounds. Now Fighter Y could dominate round 3, cause more damage, land more strikes, and beat his opponent worse than his opponent beat him in the first 2 rounds combined. Anyone with a brain would say Fighter Y won the fight but it's very difficult, particularly under the old system, which was in place for this last ppv, to award 10-8 rounds, so if scored properly Fighter X should be the winner even if Fighter Y was the more dominant fighter. This goes back to the stupidity of judging fights round by round. You can be damned if you score it right and damned if you don't.
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02-11-2020 , 12:31 PM
We wrapped up our betting podcast for UFC Fight Night 167 coming up this weekend.

https://youtu.be/V5QskPr3MiA
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02-13-2020 , 03:00 AM
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Cruz casually said that Reyes was ahead at some point in Round 5.
can we stop this lol

cruz and rogan are both clueless ****s

appealing to authority as a better must be one of the dumbest things you can do

ps : not attacking you since you were just replying but this whole thread is people citing famous people's opinions and it's just lolbad
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02-13-2020 , 09:45 AM
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can we stop this lol

cruz and rogan are both clueless ****s

appealing to authority as a better must be one of the dumbest things you can do

ps : not attacking you since you were just replying but this whole thread is people citing famous people's opinions and it's just lolbad
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02-13-2020 , 02:24 PM
"Octagon control" Aka forward pressure imo is fine as a judging criteria.

It helps stop counterstrikers from just sitting back and doing exactly that and getting rewarded.

2 counterstrikers? you get thales leites vs anderson silva. Oof. worst title fight in history.

if moving forward = points then thats good 100%. thinking more about this, if you are retreating too much/running it should be detrimental too and negatively effect your points. apparently its a rule but you NEVER see it applied.

jon won 3-2 e z

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02-13-2020 , 02:32 PM
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02-13-2020 , 04:24 PM
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someone who makes more money than this whole thread combined?

so that makes me correct right?

lol

fyi most athletes are clueless about the sport they play
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02-13-2020 , 04:28 PM
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someone who makes more money than this whole thread combined?
Playing NL5?
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02-13-2020 , 05:19 PM
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Playing NL5?
who players poker?

but from the info posted I believe a NL5 player would make more than this whole thread per year
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02-14-2020 , 07:49 AM
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someone who makes more money than this whole thread combined?

so that makes me correct right?

lol

fyi most athletes are clueless about the sport they play
This guy has been around for a while always pops up and makes douche posts every now and again.

Never contributes anything useful, must live a fulfilling life.

Anybody betting this weekends card?

Quite like Dodson think its quite a step up for Wood took him at 2.42
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02-14-2020 , 09:21 AM
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who players poker?

but from the info posted I believe a NL5 player would make more than this whole thread per year
you got a big mouth for guy that has posted 0 bets, stfu already or if you have real balls post your bets prefight, you ******!
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02-14-2020 , 12:37 PM
Biggest factor for upcoming card with Jan/Corey is elevation. Rio Rancho NM is 1,600 m. the same as Denver so elevation is going to a problem for fighters with any deficiency to gas tank.

In theory Jan/Corey could be competitive if Jan improved. However, with the fight at elevation I think Jan will have nothing left come R4. If Jan doesn't clip Corey in the first couple rounds I think Corey runs away with this.

Likewise fading Pereira strictly based on cardio and his silly antics. I won't be surprised at all if DS finds a finish in R3.

I like Medeiros in this spot as Lando will be very tired come round 3. Even elevation aside I think this is a fight Medeiros can win if he doesn't get clipped by Lando early on.
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