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01-19-2020 , 02:20 AM
Pretty sure it will be up to Conor who he fights next. He'll probably want to make himself available to be a backup for Ferguson vs Khabib. However, I agree that he should fight Masvidal next. Masvidal received a HUGE "pop" from the crowd tonight.

Usman isn't going anywhere. That fight can be made later and he has nowhere near the fanfare Masvidal does.
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01-19-2020 , 02:22 AM
Conor wants to finish the year #1 on the Forbes athlete money list. Leaving the Cowboy fight seemingly unscathed is a big step towards that.
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01-19-2020 , 02:47 AM
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He'd lose to the big wrestlers at 170 and khabib more than half the time
You need to get off these wrestler's jocks. Conor is back!!! At least admit he would starch GSP. He'd lay him down in a pool of his own blood. You know this to be true.
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01-19-2020 , 02:49 AM
lol
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01-19-2020 , 02:50 AM
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You still think it's an unwinnable fight? 100/100?



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101/100 now.
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01-19-2020 , 04:11 AM
Dana said he thinks Conor will wait to fight Khabib this fall (if Khabib beats Ferguson). Conor says he isn't waiting until the fall.

So I'm assuming Conor will fight Masvidal next barring Tony or Khabib pulling out of their LW title fight.

Dana was all about that Conor/Khabib fight though. Thinks it can do 3+ million ppv buys and possibly rival Mayweather/McGregor. He also said it could be a stadium fight. He said it could happen in Vegas (T-Mobile, or Raiders stadium) but probably not because Khabib is mad at the commission. He also said it could happen in the UK but McGregor wasn't too onboard with that saying if it happens anywhere over there it should be in Ireland. New York is an obvious choice to host it. Dana mentioned the Dallas Cowboys Stadium again but I won't believe that until I see it. Conor wants to fight him in Russia but Dana says no way.

Anyways, I highly doubt that will even be Conor's next fight. I suppose he could do boxing next then fight Khabib. That would be TERRIBLE. Really hope that doesn't happen. Masvidal is the fight to make for sure.
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01-19-2020 , 10:10 AM
Which sites offered big bets (4 figs min.) on Conor 1st round victory?

Could only find straight up bets. Sad. Missed value.
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01-19-2020 , 12:56 PM
I really hope Khabib sticks to his word and refuses to fight Conor until he has proven himself to be a worthy contender.

Conor should fight some killers like Masvidal, Luque, Neal, Edwards or Wonderboy. He won't take any of these fights though.

Would love to see Conor vs Woodley or Colby, he needs to be able to beat wrestler guys in order to beat Khabib. I'm sure Dana don't want his wonderkind to take a shot from Woodley though!

Dana wants the fight because if Conor does take more fights and loses, the fight won't be as big as it is now.

Honestly Conor doesn't deserve the title shot vs Khabib, he needs to beat top contenders at 155 or beat some killers at 170.

But what does Conor do, he calls out Nate Diaz....loooool, I mean you can't make this up, it's so fake!

Sure looked like a dive, I mean why wouldn't Cowboy take Conor down, when he ducked under that first left hand?? It was perfect for a take down, with that forward momentum from Conor, he could of easily took him down.

Next, why would he just stay in the clinch and take 4 more shoulder shots, without even acknowledging them? Was he drugged prior to the fight or did they plan it?

Is that how you block a head kick? His defense, both hands dropped and instead of defending the left kick, he actually threw his hands towards his left, like Conor threw a right head kick, that was the biggest clue imo.

To sum up:
-He doesn't shoot for the take down, when he ducked under the punch, while thats his signature move, just look at his other fights, he takes many people down that way.

-He doesn't react to anything in the clinch and just lets Conor have his way, he offers no defense, whatsoever!

-He lowered his hands and actually tried to block the kick, while the kick was clearly coming from the other side.

You think they practiced the head kick exchange or was it a coincidence? Cowboy throws his head kick and 5 seconds later Conor throws his??
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01-19-2020 , 01:24 PM
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I really hope Khabib sticks to his word and refuses to fight Conor until he has proven himself to be a worthy contender.
Doubtful. He'll take it and will just say Conor is not worthy. That's assuming Khabib beats Ferguson.

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Conor should fight some killers like Masvidal, Luque, Neal, Edwards or Wonderboy. He won't take any of these fights though.
Only fight that makes any sense out of that group is Masvidal.

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Would love to see Conor vs Woodley or Colby, he needs to be able to beat wrestler guys in order to beat Khabib. I'm sure Dana don't want his wonderkind to take a shot from Woodley though!
There's literally half a dozen other fights that are bigger money makers than these fights.

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Dana wants the fight because if Conor does take more fights and loses, the fight won't be as big as it is now.
Not true. Conor could lose to Masvidal and still get a big money fight vs Khabib. Dana seems to think Conor/Khabib is the biggest fight based on Khabib's surge in popularity. I think this would be a mistake though. If any fight is in Jeopardy of losing its luster it's Conor vs Masvidal. Masvidal's stock has never been greater. Masvidal is not the transcendent star that Conor is and the UFC should take advantage of his popularity when it's at its height. Its pretty much a no-brainer. The fans want the fight and it would be one of the very biggest fights in UFC history.

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Honestly Conor doesn't deserve the title shot vs Khabib, he needs to beat top contenders at 155 or beat some killers at 170.
Obviously, but people pay so it doesn't matter.

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But what does Conor do, he calls out Nate Diaz....loooool, I mean you can't make this up, it's so fake!
This is pretty disingenuous for you to say. Nate made a tweet and the media asked Conor about it. Conor said he wants to fight everyone. Nate would be a good fallback fight for Conor if he loses. Hell, Conor could lose to Masvidal, fight Masvidal again and lose again and they could still market Conor vs Nate.

He's been talking a lot more about Usman and Masvidal than Nate.

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Sure looked like a dive, I mean why wouldn't Cowboy take Conor down, when he ducked under that first left hand?? It was perfect for a take down, with that forward momentum from Conor, he could of easily took him down.
Have you looked to see how many takedowns Cowboy gets per fight?

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Next, why would he just stay in the clinch and take 4 more shoulder shots, without even acknowledging them?
You should really ask Rich Franklin this question.

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he takes many people down that way.
Cowboy has 2 takedowns in his last 6 fights and that includes a 5 rounder. And in those fights he wouldn't have been a cowbitch if he took his opponents down.

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-He doesn't react to anything in the clinch and just lets Conor have his way, he offers no defense, whatsoever!
Have you heard anything from Rich Franklin about this?
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01-19-2020 , 04:38 PM
There is only one fight in the known universe that needs to get made and that is Masvidal vs Conor

Khabib vs Conor is a dynamic all ready played out,

you got a guy that does this wrestling and conor that is an pure exciting fighter,

Its like the fight will be the same thing... can conor be snuffed out.

Masvidal vs Conor is too bright stars of MMA with same life approach full bore.

Conor vs Masvidal absolutely is the fight to make.

Put it this way....

What was or is the point in Masvidal climbing to these uncharted levels by "getting his math right", where is his reward, where is his true challenge

UFC is there to respond to hard and true reality's,

MMA fans want to see Masvidal vs Conor


The outside world of Business has a big hand in what goes on inside the cage but also you have to respect the natural order and flow of things, the way they develop,

Masvidal deserves a chance at getting his hands on Conor and fans deserve to see just what happens because that right there is one hell of a fight,

untouchable match up, one of the best match ups historically all time.

Every one knows this to be true.

Masvidal vs Conor would be like nate vs conor 1..... a hardcore fight.


who here wants to see Khabib vs Conor,
who here wants to see conor vs mas?

few here will say Khabib.

from a betting perspective it would poise an interesting question to the book
makers. Do you put Mas as fav or conor.


Edit: Whole purpose and necessity is that when these kinds of human beings progress and this kind of spots become available,... that you get two unbelievable chanpions in there,

People want a little mystery.

Needs to be fresh and exciting,
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01-19-2020 , 05:31 PM
Better hurry up and place your bets on Conor now before he becomes the favorite vs Masvidal.
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01-19-2020 , 06:05 PM
Conor vs Masvidal would be a fight all people involved in MMA any way shape or form from camera man to ice cream sellers to any and all fighters would look on knowing that some thing very special is about to happen.

Masvidal is no cerrone and if Conor tired to do any **** with Masvidal he would get his is jaw checked properly. Conor knows human anatomy but Masvidal is in a timeless place mentally.

its the most lethal true expression of MMA right now.. fight excites me a lot,

I am not sure who would win it but I know you would see a fight you had never seen before because Conor is not going into the cage and ending Masvidal inside of 60 seconds. (I called that with cowboy)


Masvidal is ready for a fight like this, both these guys would understand the fight they have ahead of them and would be a big motivation in camp, also the trainers would have a lot to think about.

This would be an all time classic, a fight for belt of baddest mofo in ufc


Maybe its Masvidal that should be fighting Khabib

Maybe Khabib deserves a chance to fight Masvidal... that Masvidal is the true challenge

UFC primary concern should be about making the strongest fights that peek interest (create the value and money follows), you have to keep up appearances of dealing out the right fights at the right time whilst the iron is hot, look what boxing did with manny floyd


If conor gets in the cage with Khabib he will lose and so will MMA fans.

If conor gets in the cage with Masvidal he stands a chance,

We get to see what conor is made of and also Masvidal... would be an eye opening fight, huge question mark fight..
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01-19-2020 , 06:45 PM
Also from a Business Risk perspective or what ever,

Conor vs Masvidal crew would respect each other and it would be a manageable build up leading to the ice cream

Conor vs Khabib you have no idea what their respective "people" are capable, Khabib vs Conor is a worry because you don't know what can happen.

Push Conor vs Khabib forward until both fighters have had one or two fights and their team follow nice event protocol,

Give the security and police a tidy few events leading into summer time.

Events are going to make huge money regardless as time unfolds. Make the tidy fight history is going to look back on and respect.

UFC is not boxing, its not rigged, its realz...

Conor should fight Mas is what time it is

These two guys get in the Cage in good shape, world stops for combat sports followers because they will know what it means...

That is a proper fight right there, rare occurrence two guys like this is even in the same time frame and not decades apart.
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01-19-2020 , 08:31 PM
Sober Conor is a winning Conor.

Allegedly coked out Conor (Khabib fight and camp) was a losing Conor.

Huge difference in how he acted.
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01-19-2020 , 08:46 PM
Does coked out Conor lose to Cowboy? Does sober Conor beat Khabib? This also begs the question as to how bad CM Punk would be if he wasn't straight-edge.
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01-20-2020 , 12:19 AM
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Which sites offered big bets (4 figs min.) on Conor 1st round victory?

Could only find straight up bets. Sad. Missed value.
Um every book in Australia does I'm sure books like 5dimes do depending what you count as big and stuff like uni and 365 if you have them in your country

I got a bunch on an Aussie book that accepts winners and is basically a pinny clone but with more props
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01-20-2020 , 01:06 AM
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Better hurry up and place your bets on Conor now before he becomes the favorite vs Masvidal.
Agreed Conor as a dog there is ridiculous value

Only downside is the money gets tied up for a year if the fight isn't made next

He's not as big a fav as against Cerrone but should be at least -150 to -200 range imo
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01-20-2020 , 04:29 PM
Just did a complete 180,

I think the fight to make IS between Conor and Khabib,

Conor vs Masvidal is like two starved hunting dogs, there is no "fat" between them, there is less on the line

Would it be the ultimate what if fight, a real strong fight that would be respected in any quarter, yeah it would but that's not the point, there is a ladder here, what you want is as many cracks at Khabib as possible to break his face.


You put Conor in there who is going to be on point, powerful and you let the chips fly how it does.

If Conor beats Khabib and he might just do it, then you got the king in his natural place and a lot of options, the world is a better place

If Khabib beats Conor, then you STILL have options towards who moves up to take another crack.

Diana is right the fight to make is Conor vs Khabib


The lethality vs reward for Conor vs Masvidal is too lopsided, its like tieing f50 ferraris together with slick tires on mud and making them do tug of war.

Whats the point... little pay off, way too much horse power for purpose.

One thing you have to remember as well believe it or not, each fight is hyper dangerous, a fight can occur that it impacts the fighters ability to fight like that again or worse.

each fight these guys do should count the most for them, the ladder, the public.

Conor vs Masvidal is not a nice fight for either them, its kind of disrespectful to put them against each other now.


If Conor is champion... then Masvidal, his time, efforts, his health, its for the ultimate purpose which is what he deserves.

I dont want to see Masvidal fighting conor unless its for all the ****** chips on the deck and then some.

huge fan of Masvidal, shining light of what getting your sht in order looks like.

Apologise I was wrong,

I dont think security is going to be any issue any place on earth now its known the two crews are morons and need extra buffer.


I vote Conor vs Khabib
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01-20-2020 , 06:29 PM
They aren’t canceling Khabib/Tony. The question for both Conor and UFC is do you want to risk falling back into your old (bad) ways due to time off and lose momentum from the Cerrone fight by not fighting again till August or later.

Even in a win Khabib is going to come out of the Tony fight banged up and likely cut up. Plus with his religion it means he isn’t fighting again until August/Sept/Oct ish. That’s a long ass wait for Conor after his big Cerrone finish.

I think Conor vs Masvidal is the most likely fight to occur before July. A loss doesn’t mean much as long as it’s not a devastating knockout. Its at 170 against a bigger opponent. Dana will sell the **** out of “this is a bad matchup, Masvidal is way to big for him, blah blah blah”
The only wild card would be if Tony finishes Khabib then maybe he fights Conor on a quick turnaround in July.

2020 Prediction
McG vs Masvidal in March or May
McG vs Khabib/Tony winner in Aug/Sept
McG in boxing fight Q1 2021

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01-20-2020 , 11:26 PM
Conor isnt going to box again unless its Floyd, or maybe a super slim chance of Pacquiao no one else is a big enough payday and hes not going to ever win against a top level boxer so with each loss his star power takes another hit - he's only just rebuilt himself with this Cerrone win after his star faded a bunch since the Alvarez fight

I still think Masvidal is the fight to make because the appeal is gone once Masvidal loses the BMF 'belt' and title, and that's going to happen in his next few fights assuming he doesn't get favourable matchups because while he's a great striker he'll lose to any elite grappler and elite strikers like Wonderboy and i'd argue Conor are favs over him - sure, you could maybe give him Nick Diaz but does anyone really think Nick Diaz is going to come out of retirement at this point? No other fights make sense, Pettis is shot, Wonderboy's too big a risk to Masvidal's drawing power and doesn't have the 'BMF' image, I guess you could make a Leon Edwards fight off the back of the three piece soda clip but it's both high risk for the UFC and low reward as Edwards isn't a draw

If Masvidal beats Conor in an exciting fight for the BMF belt he probably becomes the #2 star in the UFC after Conor drawing power wise - if Conor wins, you have a ton of hype for the Khabib rematch plus Conor can defend the BMF belt as if it's a real belt if he loses the Khabib rematch

You have to make Conor/Masvidal now before the fight goes away due to one of the fighters losing/long layoff/whatever, it will sell, it doesn't tie up a real belt for either division (can make Usman vs Edwards or someone like Wonderboy in the meantime and Khabib vs Tony) and the winner can lay claim to a title shot at both 170 and 155 against the champs, or continue to take BMF 'belt' superfights against say Nick Diaz or Gaethje if it's Conor or Edwards if it's Masvidal or whoever else is available and hyped at the time

Imagine how many buys you could do if you put Conor/Masvidal and Khabib/Tony on the same card as co main events for the confrontations after the main etc to hype the eventual bout between the winners - they won't obviously as both can do 1m buys or so by themselves, but it would be amazing

If Conor doesn't get knocked out he can still fight at LW win a fight and get a title shot whenever for the Khabib fight - if he does they can always do the Nate Diaz 3 trilogy fight to rebuild him he should beat Nate easily at this point

Obviously if Conor beats Masvidal for the BMF belt, his star power is back to the max and the time is right for the Khabib rematch (or Tony if he wins the belt)
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01-21-2020 , 01:32 AM
Conor vs GSP for a (very absurd) interim 185lbs belt.
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01-21-2020 , 02:53 PM
When Conor moves up to 205 and smeshes JJ??
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01-21-2020 , 04:31 PM
I get the feeling that Dana wants to put Conor on the shelf to fight the winner between Khahib/Tony because he's scared that Conor will lose... which would make a fight for the belt at 155 unrealistic. I suppose if Tony wins then a rematch between Conor and Khahib would make sense if Conor lost to an opponent around the same time.

But if it's not Conor vs. Masvidal then they have to give the WW TS to Masvidal.
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01-22-2020 , 12:49 AM
There's no reason to be scared of Conor losing to masvidal at ww if he does you can just make Conor vs a striker at 155 and make the khabib rematch when he wins

He's a huge fav against anyone in the division other than khabib and possibly Ferguson, even guys like Poirier Conor is a decent fav and I'd make him a fav vs gaethje too just due to gaethjes lack of defense at times and all the guys ranked below that Conor is a decent fav against at 155

Yes there's a danger Conor loses but if he's going to lose to anyone you want it to be masvidal because that makes masvidal an even bigger draw who can be the a side of legitimate big ppvs with his bmf belt. He has heaps of fights that sell if he beats Conor, Nick Diaz, Colby,

Conor masvidal is win win, either Conor loses outside his natural weight class and makes a new star shine brighter and can still fight for the 155 belt with a win or he wins and is back to peak Conor hype plus he has the bmf belt to brag about
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01-22-2020 , 05:33 AM
the guy who has never lost a round let alone a fight is going to lose to a fighter he just starched a few months ago lol?

why? because the guy he beat said he was on coke? cmon lol

the guy who quit alcohol started to drink again after beating a journeyman lol

you guys are so easy to fool
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