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10-31-2014 , 03:40 PM
Hester beat up Andrews last time he was in Australia and Whittaker got owned by Wonderboy? IDK, I feel like Whittaker is a small fav at home
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10-31-2014 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by just_mo
Why is Whittaker a dog? What am I missing there?
He's moving up in weight to 185 lbs. to take on Clint Hester who is pretty big and on a nice win streak.
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10-31-2014 , 05:42 PM
Ah that makes a bit more sense, I thought Hester was at 170 for some reason

That said if his TDD holds up he'll win. Going to come down to whether he can stuff Hester's TD attempts. I think I still like him as a dog as at 185 I assume he'll have added a bit of muscle which helps for stuffing TD attempts
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10-31-2014 , 06:18 PM
Isn't Hester a boxer? Remember him from TUF, he got tapped quite pathetically by a wrestling grinder.
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10-31-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
Isn't Hester a boxer? Remember him from TUF, he got tapped quite pathetically by a wrestling grinder.
But he's been improving... still a long ways to go imo.
He's huge for 185. 6'3 and is really thick. Probably the biggest 185 in the UFC along with Romero.
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10-31-2014 , 07:59 PM
I thought he outgrappled Andrews in the fight I saw live and Andrews got injured but I may be remembering it wrong. Checked and he lost to Jimmy Quinlan on TUF via sub

Has Miguel Torres got anything left? Won 3 in a row vs nobodies and facing Desmond Green and is +221 or something - or is he just done? I remember he seemed done in the UFC, but haven't watched his fights since where he's gone 3-1

Green went 3-2 in Bellator and his only notable win afaik is Mike Richman

Tempted to bet Torres if he has anything left at that price, but I know he's on a pretty big downswing career wise
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10-31-2014 , 08:07 PM
I'm on Green over Torres tonight. I think Torres' recent win streak was over lesser competition and now he will struggle against a bigger guy in Green at 145 pounds. He could catch Green in a submission off of his back if he is not careful, but I like Green, especially if you got him under -200.
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10-31-2014 , 08:44 PM
Kind of sad to see Torres go from basically untouchable to stepping up in competition to be a 2:1 dog on Titan FC. Just clearly should have hung it up 2 years ago after 0-2ing WSOF, if not before that.
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11-01-2014 , 12:21 AM
Yeah....
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11-01-2014 , 12:47 AM
Made my first bet for the Australia card

2u Palelei -161

Pretty sure the price will only get worse, so caught the Pinny opener here. I think I like Whittaker but want to see the size difference in weigh-ins first. Palelei is a big strong dude, has a home crowd to pump him up and has a recent win over an opponent Harris has a recent loss to. The UFC wants Palelei to win on home soil so i'm sure they tried to tailor his opponent accordingly. Would go bigger, but Palelei's gas tank sucks, so I figure a medium bet roughly fits. I'd expect he closes at -190 or -200 or something

I like Bisping +345 but going to wait a bit because it's not going to be a big play anyway and dog prices usually improve although here I think it may not as Bisping is the bigger name

I really doubt i'm going to end up with any 1u+ bets other than Palelei on this one. 3 openers I can't wait to see on the same day Brazil card would rather put my money there on some combo of Shogun/McCall/Alves if any of them are decently priced
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11-01-2014 , 06:05 AM
Very tempted to fire the u1.5 in Palelei/Harris at -140 to hedge off later since people love to bet the unders in HW fights on fight day. Not going to fire for now but going to note the price to see if my read's right for future cards
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11-01-2014 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
Kind of sad to see Torres go from basically untouchable to stepping up in competition to be a 2:1 dog on Titan FC. Just clearly should have hung it up 2 years ago after 0-2ing WSOF, if not before that.
Not just that, but he seems to get progressively much worse every fight. I think it has more to do with his confidence being shot than his body at this point. He still should have beat MM not that long ago and had a close fight with the other MM (Moraes) who is probably a top 5 bantamweight skill wise. But now he's just so tentative and at best not evolved his game at all, if not regressed it.

Losing to a grinder like Green in such a fashion is pretty sad indeed, but he'll prob continue to fight until he's no longer able to beat complete scrubs either.
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11-01-2014 , 07:27 AM
At the end of the day he's finished as a competitor but he has name value and if he wants to fight cans on Titan/Legacy/OneFC for however long until he retires then fair enough he can make some money although you'd assume he could do that opening a gym or working as a coach. As long as he's losing to guys with winning records then whatever let him fight and keep giving him steps down in competition but if he starts losing to 5-13 guys then it's definitely time to hang it up.
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11-01-2014 , 10:13 AM
Hey guys i'm seeing +350 on bisping. I think he loses the fight more times then not but I think we are getting to the point where the odds almost demand a bet on the count. At this point the fight is a pass for me but if the line gets a little higher I'll be on the dog.
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11-01-2014 , 10:23 AM
Bumping my record so it isn't so difficult to find. I did not add the Davis fight to me record so it remains at 2-1
2-1+8.04
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11-01-2014 , 10:59 AM
Am I nuts or doesn't Perosh lose like everytime here? I don't think he would be fighting in UFC if not for this being an Australian card. He isn't going to be able to outmuscle innocente like lewis was able to, and as long as his cardio holds up I think he can comfortably win a decision or find a finish. Not sure how good his ground is but I don't think he is going to get outwrestled a ton by Perosh.
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11-01-2014 , 11:14 AM
You guys seen this?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...to-California/

I really hope it goes through. It'll shake up the sport but make for much better and safer fights in the long term. Will be interesting to see if the UFC fights hard against it.
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11-01-2014 , 12:05 PM
Wouldn't mind to see the weight system revamped. Especially considering we have this strange system were you can't weigh more than x pounds/kg on weigh-in day, but after the weigh-ins on fight time you're allowed to go up quite a bit (not sure how much). This create a factor were you have people who don't belong to a weight class, almost starve to death so they can have a few extra pounds on their opponents.
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11-01-2014 , 02:46 PM
Yeah the system now totally undermines the idea of weight classes. They should have it so you can only cut down to the next weight class below you or something. So if you want to fight at WW you can't be heavier than a MW, probably very hard to enforce because I image some guys fluctuate a lot in and out of camps but I just wish it wasn't such a huge part of the fight game.
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11-01-2014 , 02:51 PM
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You guys seen this?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...to-California/

I really hope it goes through. It'll shake up the sport but make for much better and safer fights in the long term. Will be interesting to see if the UFC fights hard against it.
It's not happening. If it did it would make most of the UFC fighters change weight classes and/or do even more dangerous weight cuts the same day as the fight. The UFC would stop doing shows in California before they would agree to this.
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11-01-2014 , 04:15 PM
Guys I'm simply looking to watch mendes vs aldo 2 again replay. I paid the ppv first time round but cancelled it after as I can't afford it atm. does anyone have a link to this fight replay. could u pm please if you have a link?

Thanks
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11-01-2014 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
At the end of the day he's finished as a competitor but he has name value and if he wants to fight cans on Titan/Legacy/OneFC for however long until he retires then fair enough he can make some money although you'd assume he could do that opening a gym or working as a coach. As long as he's losing to guys with winning records then whatever let him fight and keep giving him steps down in competition but if he starts losing to 5-13 guys then it's definitely time to hang it up.
I wouldn't care if he were just instantly tapping/KOing cans, but even his win streak is 2 decisions (1 SD), and a shot fighter continuing to get punched in the head over and over for maybe 5k on a good day is a terribad life choice- I mean he's infinitely better off stocking shelves at walmart or even cleaning burger king bathrooms with his tongue. His speech hasn't gone full Liddell yet, gtfo before it does.
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11-01-2014 , 04:37 PM
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It's not happening. If it did it would make most of the UFC fighters change weight classes and/or do even more dangerous weight cuts the same day as the fight. The UFC would stop doing shows in California before they would agree to this.
We'll see but I'm expecting some change.

The changes won't mean more dangerous cuts, the fighters will be given a minimum weight they can fight that years based on dehydration levels. Similar systems were put in place after deaths in amateur wrestling. These changes will happen eventually it just depends if its before or after a death happens during a UFC weight cut.

Guys missing weight and being unable to compete costs the UFC so it's in their interest to resolve the problem sooner rather than later.

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11-01-2014 , 06:00 PM
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We'll see but I'm expecting some change.

The changes won't mean more dangerous cuts, the fighters will be given a minimum weight they can fight that years based on dehydration levels. Similar systems were put in place after deaths in amateur wrestling. These changes will happen eventually it just depends if its before or after a death happens during a UFC weight cut.

Guys missing weight and being unable to compete costs the UFC so it's in their interest to resolve the problem sooner rather than later.
This, especially since dana has been vocal about people not fighting at their natual weight.
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11-01-2014 , 09:40 PM
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It's not happening. If it did it would make most of the UFC fighters change weight classes and/or do even more dangerous weight cuts the same day as the fight. The UFC would stop doing shows in California before they would agree to this.
The easy way around this is you stand on a scale on your way to the cage as you're getting the vaseline on your face and you're not allowed to weigh in more than 5lbs over same day weigh in amount or you're fined and your result is changed to a NC if you win

Yes people would have to change weight classes but that would be fair and you could alter the limits if need be (make FW 150 LW 165, WW 180 LHW 215 HW 300 etc) if you want to keep your fighters in their current weight classes for the most part

Eventually someone will die or end their career cutting weight under the current system, it shortens careers and if nobody could do it then everyone's still on an even playing field only nobody needs to cut weight and you don't get Rumble fighting at 170
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