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'Marquez vs Pacquiao 4' (12/8/12) Props, Picks and Discussion/Debate 'Marquez vs Pacquiao 4' (12/8/12) Props, Picks and Discussion/Debate

12-04-2012 , 03:37 PM
Rot# Final Outcome (5Way) Moneyline
2001 Pacquiao to win by KO, TKO or Disqualification +200
2002 Pacquiao to win by Decision or Technical Decision +110
2003 Marquez to win by KO, TKO or Disqualification +750
2004 Marquez to win by Decision or Technical Decision +300
2005 Draw or Technical Draw +1500



Anyone else have any? I'm trying to get a sense of what is out there. I do think there is some value in Pac decision at +110.
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12-04-2012 , 05:34 PM
You can get better prices than all of those elsewhere.

I think Marquez by dec at +375 has value.
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12-05-2012 , 01:23 PM
I liked Pac by decision last time. He won by decision, then the judges decided he didn't. I like Pac by decision again. But no. **** boxing and it's corrupt judges, at least in MMA it's only incompetence rather than corruption
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12-05-2012 , 03:46 PM
Ya I want to bet Pac by dec like I did last time these two fought but who knows whats gonna happen with judges.
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12-05-2012 , 04:13 PM
i was referring to the bradley fight robbery but yeah, honestly i mean if we're betting on how the fight should go, there seems to be value in pac dec, but theres so much randomness added in
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12-05-2012 , 05:35 PM
I was leaning towards betting Pac by decision. Judges always favored him versus Marquez and have to believe they are aware of his last fight so might be scared to go against him if there is another close fight. My worry is that Pac might be going for the knockout more after losing the decision. Might get scared into just betting Pac to win.
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12-05-2012 , 05:46 PM
Today I'm seeing
Pacquiao wins by 12 round decision +105
Pacquiao wins by KO or unanimous dec. -138

for props.

And Pacquiao ML is -270

Edit: I'm really liking Pacquiao by decision. He's not going to knock JMM out, and realistically the only other outcome that is possible (excluding an upset) is a TKO stoppage.
So isn't Pac decision very +EV move here considering the ML, or am I missing something here?

Last edited by CamelFish; 12-05-2012 at 05:53 PM.
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12-05-2012 , 11:00 PM
man i'm a huge pac fan, but marquez is the one guy who gives him hell. plus, jmm has looked jacked up big time in the pics so far

marquez by decision is the best bet
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12-06-2012 , 08:37 AM
not liking that bet b/c I think MPacq will win the fight and do very good.

it should be a real good fight i'm predicting.

2 weeks ago I put in my bet, it's Fight will end b4 the 10th rd. +235, tell me what ya think. Manny said he'd be much more aggresssive in this fight. i know all previous bouts went to a decision, but aren't these two serious punchers, can their defense hold up all night long when they've been training for each other , and I imagine they are going to be gunning to win this fight real hard any chance they get.
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12-06-2012 , 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxwoodsComeUp
not liking that bet b/c I think MPacq will win the fight and do very good.

it should be a real good fight i'm predicting.

2 weeks ago I put in my bet, it's Fight will end b4 the 10th rd. +235, tell me what ya think. Manny said he'd be much more aggresssive in this fight. i know all previous bouts went to a decision, but aren't these two serious punchers, can their defense hold up all night long when they've been training for each other , and I imagine they are going to be gunning to win this fight real hard any chance they get.
Well, JMM has never been knocked out and Pac was last KO'ed in 99. I feel comfortable w/ Pac decision but like I said a TKO stoppage is the only other outcome I could imagine. It really depends on how much the ref is going to let a 39 year old JMM take if he gets in trouble.
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12-06-2012 , 06:38 PM
Also may I be the first to say in before robbery and sad people who bet on the guy who really won
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12-06-2012 , 06:59 PM
You can get -175 any knockdown

+138 Manny dec
+375 JMM dec
+750 JMM under 12 rds
+275 Manny under 12 rds

+1800 draw
-230 any decision
+2800 split dec draw
+10000 unanimous draw
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12-06-2012 , 09:46 PM
I know this is gonna sound crazy guys but just listen to me. My Dad is a hedge fund manager in Hong Kong and was asked to run a hedge fund by a Filipino businessman who is working with Bob Arum and trying to set up Pacman/Mayweather in Macau. So my dad is running a $50 million hedge fund for this guy.

Well Pacman needs to win decisively so that they can make the Mayweather fight. So this Filipino businessman tells my dad that the Pacman/Marquez fight is already fixed and that Pacman is gonna win by KO in under 10 rounds. Supposedly Marquez is getting a couple millions dollars to take a dive and this will be his last big fight. So I am going to put a substantial amount of money on Pacman by KO/TKO which is paying +285. So put some dough on this because the fight is fixed and we know which way it gonna go.
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12-06-2012 , 10:03 PM
Well, if some guy on the internet's dad's business partner heard it from his business partner, that's good enough for me.

His loose lips should drive that line down fast.
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12-06-2012 , 10:35 PM
Will be interesting to see whether that's true. If so you'd imagine the line will get bet down pretty hard. If so, lol boxing. Did he say whether Pacquiao/Bradley was fixed too out of curiosity?
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12-06-2012 , 11:45 PM
I just parlayed Pacman and under 10.5 rounds at harrahs and got +320. My dad isnt even a sports fan at all, so he wouldn't even know about the Bradley fight if I asked him about it.
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12-07-2012 , 02:57 PM
I don't follow boxing very closely, but is there any value on Pacquiao at -270?
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12-08-2012 , 07:02 PM
On Carbon Sports Betting im looking at the Boxing props for tonight.

There is a pick the round prop.

I am unfamiliar with this. Is this a bet on which round the fight will end in? Or a bet on who wins the round?

Disclaimer: Pick the rnd (12 full rounds = Loss)

What does this mean? There are some sick odds if this is who wins each round.

Ex: 01 round Marquez Wins +7000
01 round Pacquiao Wins +2400
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12-08-2012 , 07:38 PM
It's which round the fight will end in.
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12-08-2012 , 08:32 PM
so every real boxing expert says pacman should had lost in their last fight together... he only won cuz marquez slowed down to crusie for a win and manny somehow caught up and somehow won the fight just barely. even then some people say he still lost. So he didn't look too good in their last fight..

so you know that but you are still betting paquiao? your just a hype fish
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12-08-2012 , 08:58 PM
Well since boxing is horrendously corrupt when Arum is involved and Pacquiao needs the win more to make Arum money in the future...

I know i'll never bet on an Arum boxing match again after being robbed in the Pac/Bradley fight
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12-08-2012 , 09:34 PM
oops.
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12-08-2012 , 11:43 PM
I'll take the bait Manny -200 on 5dimes very big. I think the rumors of Manny's demise are greatly exaggerated. I had Manny beating JMM the last time 7-5 IIRC but that was with all his personal problems. I had Manny over Bradley 9-3. I think he's still got it and if anyone's going to get old overnight it's JMM at 39.
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12-08-2012 , 11:46 PM
Well I'll trust you child of the hedge fund manager on the internets. You talked me out of taking Pac by decision. I'll go with him straight up, still not confident in the ko against the last of the meheecans.
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12-09-2012 , 12:57 AM
Sick fight between Gamboa and Farenas. Seems to suffer from the same syndrome as Ringodeaux tho, fading.
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