Philly Park
Race #8

Sep-14 PHA R8 2.00 USD EXA 1,8/1,5,7,8,10
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Sep-14 PHA R8 2.00 USD EXA 4,8/1,4,5,7,8,10 20.00

8 wins at 8-1 in the eight...but, an INQUIRY!!!! please hold or take down 4.

Luckily i have the dead chalky 1/4 on the first ticket to save me if this 8 gets taken down. so many near misses today on big big tri's,ncluding the race at philly park where the 2-3-1 1$ tri paid over 10k. I had 12/125/1357

there are big races every week. you dont have the top 20 racing against each other or anything, but there are some good races. i check equibase dot com frequently.

Makes sense. I am looking for things like big paying supers and trifectas due to the large amount of people betting. Does this happen on big random weekend races?I also like having lots of opinions to make educated guesses like triple crown month


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something sketchy at EMD in the 6th. someone had a huge bet early and then pulled it at the last sec. odds went from 2-5 to 4-1 on #5. guaranteed they had a ****load on that horse in a sportsbook.

IDK about the sportsbook aspect, I assume you are meaning online book? Even though most of them just pay off at track odds also? Never thought about it that way, but you see these games being played from time to time at smaller racing circuits. Guys make these large early wagers that affect the odds, the crowd piles on thinking the horse is live, ignoring other contenders, and the bet is pulled late and the crowd's money is left on a horse that the original bettor feels is a non-contender. Meanwhile they have made their real wager elsewhere.

Remington Park and a few smaller tracks have had so many games being played like that, and I believe that it was Remington that instituted a rule that any wager greater than $50 could not be changed. It can be a an issue.

i just mean a bet in a non pari-mutuel pool.

you see it once in awhile usually at a track with smaller pools. guy places a decent size wager in the pari-mutuel win pool, others shy away from that horse since who wants to bet the 1-9 or 1-5, then they pull it and end up with great odds on their bet they have at some non pari-mutuel book.

Last year for live racing at hoosier park standardbred meet. A well dressed man showed up at the window 2hours b4 post time & said he wanted to put $27,000 to win on the #7 in the 7th race. (i was standing next to the guy) He had 1 of those small zippered bank bags. So the teller runs & gets the mutuals manager. Mutual manager looks the guy in the eye & says "sir, jus so u understand, once I issue u this $27,000 win ticket, there will b no refunds" the guy then looks the mutual mngr in the eye & says " i completely understand, god told me to bet $27,000 on the #7 in the 7th race & i would never disobey gods orders"!! The mutuals mngr & teller were flabbergasted, as was I. When the 7th race came around, I had already told the lil crew i hang out with at the track & explained to them that xmas was coming early this year. So normally hp gets about 4k-6k each race in the win pool on a good nite & with 27k bet on a horses nose, there wasnt enough betters out there betting HP to correct the overlay. If I recall, there was about 3 horses in the race that even had a remote chance of winning & the #2 looked automatic. Me & 2 other guys bet every $ we had on those 3 horses, with a larger portion being spent on the #2. When they went off, the #7 was 1/9 still & the #2 was the only other runner in single digits & he was 9/1. The #2 horse won easy going away & the #7 finished 8th beaten 20lengths!!
I knew what the man was doing, but i wanted to do some more research when i got home. What my research unveiled was that in order for som1 to invest 27k to lose on purpose, they had to atleast b getting a 3x 4x return on that money. The offshore books i play at & know of have strict limits & small limits for the smaller tracks, but what blew my mind is, that just about everybook had hoosier park as "B" track & 1 book had them listed as an "A" track somehow!!! Once i saw that, it all made sense. U can get down a max 5k win wager & at the 1 book that has it listed as an "A" track u can get down a 10k max win wager, so my guess is he & his people (im assuming he has partners) risked about $50k to gte a 100k return if the #2 won & if anybody else won they prolly were small winners or break even.

Interesting aspect that I hadn't thought much of. You would have to be able to get down pretty good at several different books, but for a large bettor it probably isn't an issue.

Thanks for the story.

Ron the Greek with a big race today

This race struck when I saw it in the paper. I though it was a boring race thought it was funny when the announcer said what an upset. 30 bucks down the drain
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I liked the read as always ATS myself for anyone to be a horse player you are flat out a certain type of stupid That said I was doing well in the showvivor at SA till Sunday and as every year during football season I forget to put my pick in because ITS FOOTBALL SEASON lol,love if this tourney would run everyday but sunday then I would have a better chance at falling just short.

Capping Belmont today for sng try and qualify for this weekends bigger tournys at DW. GL this week fellas.

October Horseplayers Association of North America handicapping newsletter is out. Free. Great info for horseplayers. Some excellent Keeneland stats at the end of it
http://horseplayersassociation.org/hmoct213.pdf

Although I'm relatively new and have limited knowledge on this I figured it would be more logical to bet superfectas due to it being cheap when it's 2.40 for it boxed and higher payouts. Is it logical to box 5 or 6 top horses with some other supers? Is it more of a guarantee? Also are 10 cent supers paid out at 1/10 of the payout listed?

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I dont think its logical to bet supers cos there cheaper... It might b logical in relation to what ur bankroll size is, but hitting supers arent easy. Me personally, i hate the fact theres .10c supers nearly everywhere now. It over saturates the pool & u hardly ever get back what u should on a winning ticket. The whole reason of implementing the .10c super was so that the diehard degenerate horse players could have a chance of dodging tax tix, i.e., u play the .10c super 10x's, so in theory a $1 sup payoff of $800 the taxes could b avoided by playing the dime increment cos the .10c payoff is $80, where as u play the $1 super increment u would b paying taxes cos the payoff is greater than $601.00. And the players were the 1's that asked for the dime increment so that they werent being punished by w2g's as much & it wasnt fair for the everyday bettor to b paying into a pool that has 25%+ takeout already & to b payin those taxes as well.. However, when they asked for the dime increment, they werent thinking about the players that never played supers cos of the high ticket cost & there bankroll limitations. So it allowed the $2 show bettor to get involved without havin to worry bout the high variance that betting $1 supers brings u.
No, i dont think its logical to box 5,6 horses in ur supers (jus cos u can & it doesnt cost alot). Only thing it guarantee's u of is going broke quicker.
Yes the dime super payout is 1/10 of what the $1 payoff is.
The players complained about the dime players over saturating the pool & that the payoffs were less bcos of it. The idea of the super was first used as the "get out race". They started out having it in the final race of the day, so that players would have a chance of recouping a whole days loss's. Then it slowly caught onto the point where every race that had at least 8 runners, a super would b offered, then today, theres a super in just about every race running.
Naturally, the bettors kept complaining about the over saturated pools, & it put racing boards in a difficult spot cos they couldnt jus do away with .10c supers & screw the small bettor, & thats when the CHPA proposed the idea of implementing the Pentafecta (high 5) in the final race of each days card with a .50c minimum & a smaller takeout % compared to the superfecta. That way, the degens could have there "get out race" opportunity & not have an overly saturated pool to reduce the payoff's.
I thinks WPS & Exactas are most logical when it comes to vertical wagering, then if were talkin horizontal wagering, i think pick 3's, 4's, & 5's are the most logical (when playing at facilities that have reasonable takeout (12.5%-20%max)
Sorry for ramblin

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Why it rocks to have ATS itt,he just gave you a paid answer and lesson for free and it did not cost you to learn it on your own. Where tf were you ATS when I started lol

Anyone else going to BC Steeplechase this year in Far Hills?

steeplechases should be banned

Google what mike dickinson did in england to propel his career to cross the pond & set records here. Same with john sheppard. Without the jumps we'd never have horses like "Dahoss",Cloudys Knight, & the list goes & on cos those would have never been the horses they were without those trainers & in a way, we have the jumps to thank for that.

Nice logo, brah.

Thank u ats didn't want to fill the thread up with the reply. I will consider this as I move forward. The marketing ploy suckered me in. Hopefully something good comes from the breeder's cup

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So, we've got 2 parking spots at Far Hills, hope to see whomever there.

Gonna take a shot in the Jessamine today, Keeneland's Race8.
10 lightly raced 2yo fillies go postward @4:45pm. I land on the #2 Courtesan. This filly broke her maiden las race going 1 1/6miles on the Mellon Turf (rated good that day) @Saratoga on Sep 1st. If u recall, the turf course had literally become a merry-go round, & extremely speed favoring. Just about every race was a wire-to-wire winner, so thats why I like this lil philly. She broke her maiden by passing horses & closing into slow fractions during a time when nobody was closing on that turf course & for her being lightly raced & a 2yo, shes certainly eligible to improve, especially when u factor in shes being conditioned by the legendary Christophe Clement! Side note, im not crazy bout Irad Ortiz being listed to ride, but he was aboard for the maiden score, so i can understand why clement stuck w/him.
Admittedly, theres others that look faster, but im gonna hope my piece keeps improving & they go too fast upfront.
Keepin it simple today, i dont wanna over think it by goin for any gimmicks.

Keeneland Race 8
$30 WPS #2

$90 total

Also^^^
Oh & drf.com has free formulator PP for the Jessamine also!! Jus click the "Jessamine Stakes" icon on the homepage & u will see a link to the free formulator PP. fwiw

Although nobody was catching the Ramsey/Maker horse today, my filly did give a good account of herself by running a closing 3rd & only missing 2nd by 3/4's of a length. And I got a small rebate of $54 for the show dough. Loser of -$36 today

Sidenote: Was bet down from her ML of 8/1 to 5/1, & and after watching the replay jus now, this Filly is a Stayer for sure, she want's more ground!!! She was flanked by 2 horses in the stretch & had another to her inside & she never let them get to her throat latch, & she galloped out nicely. It jus tells me she was screaming out for more ground!! I highly doubt Clement will wheel this filly back anytime soon, bein the sharp guy he is, but I strongly suggest you put this horse on your watch list, & put in the notes 1mile 1/8 or longer distances!! And if I'm/you are lucky, this filly will show up down at GulfStream this winter in a NW1 Allowance race going 1 1/8m on the turf & we can crush, cos i strongly feel she would have a huge advantage going the extra 1/8th cos not very many young USA fillys can go that long & stay a route of ground that early in there career. So, if she wheels back in any spot going 1 1/8m or longer im given her 1 more chance.