Almost constantly in MMA. You can catch several examples down the line with a quick scan of BestFightOdds.com.

Their NFL lines are not infrequently on-market even for the sharp lines and i have definitely seen them lead a market (albeit very occasionally) there.

WNBA they are frequently on market and not-infrequently leading the market.

Maybe not for the specific sports you bet, that's certainly a possibility, but I can't remotely imagine anyone extremely serious without access to all the major A-rated books, especially so if you're without access to Pinnacle. One or two bets a month justify having a funded account there, especially given how easy it is to withdraw (free once-a-month check via FedEx that arrives 2-3 days after request, consistent as rain).

I really doubt that Bodog is dealing you different prop lines than they're dealing for their normal "sharp" customers. If they are, kudos to you, that's the first time I've heard of them dealing custom lines to an individual EVER.

But that's still not some horrendous, slanderous outcome. So what? They get to deal you whatever line they want as long as they're consistent in doing so (constant to you, not constant to everyone) and not doing something shady like trying to change lines on you during or after bets. They offer a price, you like it or you don't. If you're just crushing their props, and not giving them other action or otherwise camouflaging what you're doing, you're the one doing it wrong, and you shouldn't remotely be surprised let alone angry when you get cut off or anything in between (limited, other lines, etc).

My $0.02 as always, but they've been very good to me as a player for a VERY long time and I've referred a litany of people there with nary a complaint.

-P

You're missing the point. He sees lines of x -150/y +120. He wants to bet x. He's on delay, and 100% of the time, bodog frontruns him and moves the line to x-170/y+140 before he can bet. It's quite possible that they'd move it even further if he wanted to bet -170. If he wanted to bet y+120, then during his delay, they'd move the line to x -130/y +100. If he wanted to bet y+100 anyway, they well might move it again. Even if they don't double move, he's being offered, functionally, a line of x -170/ y +100, even though that obviously never displays on the screen. I've had plenty of trash shops (the old Sportbet being famous) pull the same stunt, even over the phone, and even WSEX would do the same thing online. The line at either place could have been sitting there unmoved for 4 hours, but the instant I try to bet it (not even on steam), boom, wager denied and a half point or 5-10c against me like clockwork.

Yeah, definitely missed that was the complaint.

If that's whats actually happening, then yes all right to be pissed off about bogus and shady line moves.

Like you, i've heard of that with other, shady books but never heard of anyone doing that at Bodog, ever.

Are you sure its not just that props are inherently fragile and volatile markets and you're ascribing correlation to causation? Or otherwise demonstrating selection bias in remembering? I.e. it's not remotely 100% but it's actually an infrequent occurrence that's being exaggerated (even unintentionally)?

If it is accurate, I'd document it -- i.e. series of screen recordings showing that's what's happening and make a big stink about it on SBR and here, including filing a formal complaint and etc.

-P

Pretty common knowledge amongst sharps with this stuff.

How are you guys not banned on Bodog. You all make a lot more money than me and have been doing this for a much longer period of time. I was banned there within 2 weeks

I don't have experience with Bodog doing that, but I haven't played there all that much. I'm just on sharp lines, not any delay yet. Other shops I am 100% sure from repeated personal experience.

I always forget to look for MMA stuff so thanks for the tip there, although the limits may be low enough it isn't worth my time, which is why I stopped looking at the smaller markets there.

With major US sports I still have pretty reasonable limits, but on game day, at Matchbook alone it seems like I always find a better price than Bodog. I just looked at the NFL sides card and between Greek, CRIS, and Matchbook, the only game where Bodog had the best line was NYJ -2, but I only needed to scroll to the 2nd page of the SBR line feed to beat that. My limit on Bodog is $550 and Intertops will give me $550 of -1.5 -110.

As I said, I've had a small portion of my bankroll there for years and I rarely find anything worth betting. They did let me bet $100 on some horse prop on the Belmont that was obviously off, but that's it. It isn't worth my time analyzing props when they rarely let me bet them.

Two formerly A-rated books have failed or mostly failed in the last few years (Cascade and WSEX), and I'm just not inclined to trust a book that flat out lies about the dual lines and the prop crap I mentioned. They have a rep who will gladly post the same schpiel over and over again about the Calvin Ayre brands, the latest Bodog party, etc. but ask her about the dual lines and the prop crap and you won't get a response. The best answer you'll get from Bodog is that "lines are moving all the time" which is demonstrably false as you can load lines simultaneously to prove that they deal dual lines.

TomCowley explained it better than I could. They aren't dealing me different prop lines, they're using a delay and moving lines on me during the confirmation stage. I have delays at plenty of other books but the only ones that have blatantly dealt me one sided action are Bodog and BetUS. I personally know at least two other people that have had the same thing done at Bodog and have read as such from many others on the forums. That's why I didn't even go into detail in my initial description, because I thought the prop crap was common knowledge. Quite frankly I'm shocked that anyone sharp is still allowed to bet props considering how quickly I got popped.

FWIW I didn't even beat them that badly, I had a pretty good run on MLB player props, the limit was $300 as I recall and I think I won a hair under $5k, winning maybe 25 out of 40 bets or 30 out of 45 (it wasn't very many), and then all of a sudden they were pulling the line move nonsense. I certainly wasn't crushing the props and the edges weren't even that ridiculous, for the most part it was stuff like getting -110 on a -125 proposition or whatever. I actually did go out of my way to give them a bit of action on regular vanilla stuff when their line wasn't that bad. At the time most of my MLB betting was at Mansion, Pinnacle, Cascade, and WSEX (this was pre-Matchbook) but if Bodog's price was only a couple cents worse than there I'd throw them a bone and place a $300 bet there.

It wasn't quite 100% of the time but it was probably somewhere around 60-70%, still too often to be coincidental.

Right, that's exactly it. Oddly enough I bet at Sportbet quite a bit pre-UIGEA and pre-the 5Dimes buyout and never had any problems with them aside from a handful of customer service issues. Once in a while they tried screwing me on prop bet grading but threatening Jake with an SBR report was always enough to get him to fix it. The only two books that ever did that crap on me were Bodog and BetUS.

I'm certain because I always refresh the page before submitting my bet, and I went from having almost none of my bets being rejected to having about 60-70% rejected. There's simply no way that in the 60-90 second delay that someone else was betting the same prop as me that often.

This happened at least 4 years ago, if not 5. People have asked them these things all the time and they just give a boilerplate response of "lines are moving all the time." There are a couple people on SBR who made a habit of replying to lots of Bodog threads to ask the Bodog rep about the prop issues and she ignores them 100% of the time. Even if I reloaded there, bet the props and showed that 60-70% of my bets were rejected, what resolution could I get other than my prop limits slashed to 0?

I bet nfl and soccer props all the time on bodog. Ive been + for several seasons in a row. Granted I dont bet their max limits but Ive never had a delay in betting and
have never had a line changed on me in process. I look up stats and do poisson
analysis(from wong) and find soft lines often. I just click and bet.
Only problem Ive ever had with bodog is every so often on their horse racing you win
a bet and they dont post the win until several races later.Infrequent,but its happened
more than once.

You're based in the UK, right? Pretty sure their UK and Europe facing sites are run differently wrt risk management.

Yes, from what I've read it's very standard to get your limits cut to 3 euro or 5 pounds on the European ones. Despite all of the prop crap they've pulled on me, they still let me bet $550 on major US sports and sometimes more.

Yes. They took one bet before I was slashed.

Yea, I have pretty much given up on Bodog poker. If I were going to play, might try Stud occasionally. Has anyone ever been accused of being a pro with the idea that is not allowed? A couple years ago some guy kept asking me if I was a pro and was telling me that was not allowed. I am not a pro anyway. The thing that really bothers me with Bodog poker is, there are some people with hand historys and some without, and I'm one without. And poker and Bodog was much better when Calvin was there

I don't have any problems with limits. Seems to me when I made regular bets in the past they would have a max bet like $822.00 or something. I don't remember seeing that limit lately. I have had the bet change on me several times while I was in the process of betting a regular bet though.

As for live betting, they really juice it up at times, but, betting wether Bilips is going to make his next freethrow is just not a fair bet. If as usual, the Nuggets play weak in the first quarter and they are geared up for a comeback, betting they will score after 2-4-6-8-10 minutes in the 2nd and third Q can pay me, with my big one or two dollar live bets, lol. Was Lebron going to pitch in his next field goal? Will the Broncos return their kick plus or minus the 22 yard line? Does anybody else in the industry do this live betting thing?

Moving lines on approval is scummy and unethical but absolutely legal and happens all the time.

So you're finally on board with the rest of the professional betting community that believes Bodog is a scummy and unethical book?

Men are talking here. Go play with your pom-poms.

Wasn't going to post anymore on this topic, but eh this is safe enough to post i think:

Bodog is one of the few books remaining that throws me an occasional bonus and I am pretty sure they select this based solely on activity without considering much else. My balance hasn't been under $4K in two years and they send me an offer $25 free on next deposit $100 or more. Another time its a free $109 poker tournament entry, or just a random $50 or $100 FP. These are not even logical bonuses for them to give. Also right now they have a deal bet $100 or more every game of NFL season get a free $250 bonus at seasons end.

From the US side, perhaps is different on .co.uk site, I've never known them to be at all adverse to taking their $500 to $1000 max bets. They set the lines for each account at what they are comfortable at taking these bets at, and I'm fairly sure now, after comparing lines with others, their profiles are much more advanced than just Sharp 1 & 2, and Square 1 & 2.

Anyways no complaints with Bodog at all. This is one of the first weeks I have no bets available but almost every week I find at least two spots they are best available for.

Betting at Euro books is like betting in Vegas.

OK, but first why don't you explain why you are on record consistently trying to defend a book with scummy and unethical practices?

Bromance ITT

I've never bet in Vegas but if Vegas is soft as **** then yes I agree.

FWIW Bodog is giving a Free £25 Sports Bet only on the .co.uk site for new players (which obviously does not include North America)

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