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Whats the right play here? Whats the right play here?

06-26-2008 , 11:18 AM
Hey everyone new to 2+2 just wondering what the correct play is here!

$1/$2 cash game 4 handed. This is a live game.

SB has $35 with 99
BB has $70 with ??
UTG has $80 with ??
Button has $100 with AK OS


SB posts
BB posts
UTG Folds
Button Raises to $6

Here is question
What is SB's move? A. Fold, B. Call, C. Raise $15-$20 D. Push, E. Other (give own input)

Results after I get some input!!

Also some input this cash game was 9 handed at one point. SB, UTG, and Button have all played very TAG games the entire night. Took a couple bad beats and continue to play to try to make back there losses and/or win more. Playing for more than 3 hours at this point.
06-26-2008 , 11:35 AM
3b to 22, get it in no matter what flop.
06-26-2008 , 11:40 AM
So button raised to 6 your saying SB should reraise to 12? cause I don't think SB can 3B to 22 cause if SB raise the min to 12 button has to raise the min to 24. Gonna wait for a few more replies and I will post the results when I get home from work! This hand caused debate
06-26-2008 , 11:41 AM
Just push, you'll get called by lot because it looks like a "go away" bet.
06-26-2008 , 11:49 AM
Kk Keep em coming I will post results in a couple hours be back then!
06-26-2008 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CynicdarK
Kk Keep em coming I will post results in a couple hours be back then!
This hand is not really complicated or interesting. You have 17.5bb, you are out of position, and you want to make it to showdown. Its either raise a bunch/push flop, or push now, and the differences in those approaches are small.
06-26-2008 , 01:00 PM
huh we know BTN his hand? if he always had AKo you have to 3bet for valeu
06-26-2008 , 02:43 PM
No we don't know that Button has AK but 2 overs in the case is assumed. So AK are chosen.
06-26-2008 , 03:03 PM
3bet and ship it in AI on the flop
06-26-2008 , 03:38 PM
SB should re-raise (RR aka 3 bet) to 20'ish. If BTN re-raises (aka 4 bets) SB should bet AI. If the BTN flat calls the 3 bet, the SB bet AI on any flop.

Before the hand, the SB should rebuy assuming they have skills to compete at the table.
06-26-2008 , 03:56 PM
Shove it in... Or raise to 22 knowing you have to get it in on the flop..
06-26-2008 , 07:43 PM
$1/$2 cash game 4 handed. This is a live game.

SB has $35 with 99
BB has $70 with ??
UTG has $80 with ??
Button has $100 with AK OS


SB posts
BB posts
UTG Folds
Button Raises to $6

Here is question
What is SB's move? A. Fold, B. Call, C. Raise $15-$20 D. Push, E. Other (give own input)

I am obviously the SB. I decide to push (the Button is actually my best friend) He thinks for a minute and decides to call and flips over AK...
Flop comes K 10 2
Turn 7
River 9

He then looks up at me and spouts off something along the lines of "Pocket 9's! I thought we were using some sort of skill, not playing the lottery!" Was my play that bad, he seriously thinks it was the worst move I could have possibly done, and says that just calling was the right move...
06-26-2008 , 07:49 PM
No, he sucks; you have 17.5bb, it sorta is a lottery. If you call I assume you c/f the flop, and 4 handed 99 is a hand that shouldn't be played so weakly so short. Push and be happy. Depending on how tight he is, you should basically push 77+, AJs+ to any raise (or ask a shortstacker, they prob know better).
06-26-2008 , 07:52 PM
Haha well I wouldn't go as far as say he sucks. But I was just defending my play, this won't even help in the long run either this was just for me. The only way I can get him to agree with my play is if Dan Harrington were to agree with me haha...
06-26-2008 , 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CynicdarK
Haha well I wouldn't go as far as say he sucks. But I was just defending my play, this won't even help in the long run either this was just for me. The only way I can get him to agree with my play is if Dan Harrington were to agree with me haha...
I would, and I'm likely to guess if you're questioning this, so do you. And I'm not trying to be mean.
06-26-2008 , 08:01 PM
Well just off of that one play u can't say he sucks as a player, yes his play there was rediculously bad for how he said that I played it. I explained my reasoning plenty of times and he explained random nonsense and I told him a call is basically me VPIP especially when I see 2 overs come on the board and he already raised pre...
06-26-2008 , 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CynicdarK
Well just off of that one play u can't say he sucks as a player, yes his play there was rediculously bad for how he said that I played it. I explained my reasoning plenty of times and he explained random nonsense and I told him a call is basically me VPIP especially when I see 2 overs come on the board and he already raised pre...
I have a LOT of live play experience, and I am sorry but someone that thinks in that situation that you should just called, seen the flop and then folded, sucks at poker. They do not have a solid understanding of basic game theory.

Actually his play does not suck in the hand. Raising from the BTN with AKo and then calling an AI from a short stack is standard and correct in most cases.

BTW VPIP has nothing to do with the play of this hand... What percentage of the time you voluntarily put money in the pot has no place in the thought process for push, raise, call or fold for you. The only thing you should be thinking is "God why didn't I rebuy so I have a full stack against by buddy when I have a +EV edge over most of his raising and calling range!!! What a WASTE of a great hand in a short handed game with someone that sucks at poker with a full stack"
06-26-2008 , 08:28 PM
I'm assuming this is just a friendly home game, but basically w/ any stack smaller than $50 w/ these blinds you should be raising over the top all in. There is very little postflop play, and if people are thinking about folding hands like AQ, AK, then pushing anything will be +ev because you'll be taking so many $9 pots that by the time they call you, you'll have the big stack and prob decent equity.

      
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