Villian Is Tag. I have seen him raise limpers and or re-raise some hands with suited connectors. Other then that have not seen to many awkward moves.

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Hero ($101.04)
Button ($215.17)
SB ($129.34)
BB ($38.71)
UTG ($97.50)
MP ($100)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($29.50) 5, 7, 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero ???

std play? Cbet like 23ish

Yeah bet/fold is standard (mainly because you're heads up) unless he is aggro donk, in which case one can argue for the occasional bet/shove because our equity isnt terrible on this flop.

Standard is definitely to bet/fold here. You're not going to get CR bluffed unless he's semi-bluffing (and even then, it's more of a value CR than semi-bluff/bluff range).

I tend to CB in 3b pots with the upper and lower ranges of my hands (when looking at how I hit the flop)...I consider KQs with only the BDFD to be the "lower" range, so I cb here.

if you want to bet fold you're much better off checking behind. b/f in 3 bet pots is usually pretty bad.

If we bet 21 on the flop, we're in for 35, so with 7.5 outs (6+1.5 for backdoor flush) vs. JJ-99 our equity is 30% and we'd be calling for ~33% of the final pot which makes it barely -EV.. And this is a best case scenario. The reality is our equity vs. his shoving range is probably more like 19-25% so bet/calling is pretty atroscious. Almost as bad as 3betting KQs.

yeah, that's why i don't want to bet/call here. i want to check behind.

Why? you think he has a pp here too often to bet?

I'm starting to check behind a lot in spots like this. I guess I'm more likely to c-bet here than if I had AK.....But yea really if he's not calling that 3bet kinda light than he's not folding much to a flop bet so unless you think you can double barrel on the turn and get him to fold TT/JJ checking behind might be best.


I've been rethinking these spots a lot lately. I'm trying to figure out what's best but I dunno.

because if we bet and get shoved on we have to fold. and when we bet we're gonna get shoved on alot on this flop.

also fees told me never to c-bet/fold in 3 bet pots.

The problem with checking here is it's really exploitable. If u bet everytime, i never know if u have it or not.

also, your 3betting frequency factors in. If u 3bet an optimal amount you can cbet every time imo. If you're overdoing it, obv it's hard to sell the flop bet as much..

it's not nearly as exploitable as 3 betting then c-bet/folding when you miss.

edit: you can check behind with a hand sometimes too.

Either way its important to balance what u do when u have it with what u do when u don't.

lol, yea. That was kinda the last little push I needed that got me to thinking more about these situations....and I've started checking behind a lot more. I'm just wondering how often when villains lead the turn then that they have a pocket pair and how often it's just w/e taking it away from me.....ah...I think it's more often a pair.


It's just if you bet the flop here what is gonna fold? AK (which may also have 4betted) ,AQ,AJ... maybe he calls pre with that sometimes, maybe KQ.....other than that what..... just maybe some suited connector type hands that he called with pre-flop planning to shove a lot of draws on the flop because he thought u were 3betting light.....but you're also ahead of those hands right now anyway.


And no pair is going to fold to one barrel here.


I wish God would come down and tell me what to do here....cause i just ain't sure.

I really don't mind checking behind here with AA/KK every now and then.

I check behind here almost all the time.

checking back here is a major leak

If there is a discussion about checking or betting, then i think we have to include his preflop calling range in that discussion. Because since he often folds no pair, this determines a lot of the FE.

Just bet, until he adjusts and start playing back.

i have heard from a bunch of people that bet/folding in 3 bet pots is generally terrible and b/c has got to be worse so could you elaborate?

My elaboration is, if his calling range is:

AK, AQ, KQ = 16x3 = 48 combos
99-JJ = 6x3 = 18 combos

1. you have a lot of FE, assuming he isnt c/r bluffing the flop a lot, which isnt usual.
2. you balance your cbetting range
3. you have position, and many turncards like A or K is good to secondbarrel to make him fold his flop-callingrange

its pretty usual imo

i dont have much experience with it.

maybe you 3bet too often?

maybe you don't 3 bet enough

If you have problem with cbetting you 3bet too much, imo.