Villain was 26/18, probably not very good. I bet the turn to protect my hand and I dont expect to be behind very often when he checks again on this drawy board. What do you think he has on the turn? I just didn't really buy the idea of him having AA/KK and I could definetly see him doing this with something like AJs. The minraise is pretty scary though..

Comments on my turn bet appreciated as well


IPoker Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $93.20
UTG: $107.40
MP: $103.88
CO: $129.60
Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $123.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, BB calls $12

Flop: ($50.50) 3 K 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($50.50) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25.25, BB raises to $50.50,

i think you played the hand a little backwards if you 3bet so small then i think you should take the line of bet check bet or check check bet and identify his commitment to the hand early on rather than guessing on turn

as played calling>folding>shoving

4bet bigger and this won't happen

the advice in this thread has sucked so far..

Why bother 4betting? Villain has a fair range of bluffs here since he's squeezing...so don't force those out by 4betting. Just flat his squeeze and take him to value town postflop.

As played, I think that you have to bet the flop. It's how you rep the widest range. When you check your hand is either KK or TT-QQ and it's nearly never KK. Your hand is pretty face up...

ye I'd make it 28 pre and fold now

As others have said make it a little bigger preflop. AA/KK/AK looks fairly likely or possibly a flush draw. Nothing makes a ton of sense, but this is a guy who flatted a 4b oop. I think its very close between folding the turn and calling with the intention of folding to a bet on the river.

which part? if you would explain more in OP (like why you min 4bet) then we could help you more as you obv see something wrong with the way you played this hand how then can any advice be bad?

or are you looking to just looking for the obv 4bet bigger so this don't happen obviousness

p.s. how do i edit a previous post?

I didn't really understand the reasoning behind your advice and obviously 4betting bigger in order to avoid this spot is just thought process. I 4bet small, because he could think he has some folding equity and shove worse. I also don't really mind if he starts flatting oop with crappy hands, right?

I think flatting the 3bet is not a bad line though

I think that him spazzing out to your small 4bet should be a small reason as to why you are 4betting small. If you're 4 betting get to get it in preflop then do it bigger and hope he calls with worse or ak, but otherwise you are 4betting to confuse your opponent and figuring out how to abstract more value with your big pair. Meaning that you are hoping that he starts to call your small 4bets with all of his 3bet range rather than folding the non premium part of his 3bet range.

my suggestion of betting the flop was that he would need very monster hand/draw to raise you (if this was the 1st time you 4bet him) then if he calls your flop bet you can reevaluate how play turn and rivers accordingly. My line of bet check bet and check check bet just comes from my wanting to play some pot control since i don't have much history w villain and this is our 1st 4bet pot so i see how he reacts. obv once you develop a history my suggestions are less valuable

srry i suck at thinking

nevermind

calling turn is terrible look at our stack sizes. It's not like this guy is craising air ever here. Calling here with intention of folding to any river bet is even worse after committing 80% our stack. Choice is clearly raise or fold

Overall you did get yourself into a ****ty spot. Not hugest fan of b/f flop against laggy opponent. Great spot to fire with air but not great spot to get any value with qq. Preflop he ships AK a majority of the time and folds possibly kqo and lower some percentage of the time(even considering the small 4 bet). That said its also going to be tough to get 2 streets of value from any pp slightly worse then qq. Most our value comes form trying to get this lag to take us off tt-qq or, to just do something stupid. I mean that's why we 4 bet small after all, to take advantage of his loose 3 betting range.

overall though 3 bet and 4 bet stats would make for a much easier preflop and postflop decision. I mean qq on button is practically the nuts so your raise size isn't really all that bad it's just a tough spot that if you feel uncomfortable with you could avoid by raising bigger

overall though you should really look more into 3 bet and 4 bet stats to make these decisions much easier.

The turn is a crap spot w/ 2nd flush draw peeling off and i can see wanting to bet for hand protection although checking is still a legitimate option . However, if I am betting the turn I'm getting it in to a check raise. All that being said that min craise does scare the hell out of me but close your eyes and ship.

As for preflop calling his 3 bet as durka mentioned is a legitimate option . But if you are going to 4 bet your sizing is a little off. QQ is vulnerable to a lot of **** he squeezed with and we may be pricing it in. I'd much rather make it 24 with kk/aa when we want to see a majority of his range calling. Our small 4 bet has now built a big pot that is going to be hard to play considering how wide his range can be.

~30-32 pre, check turn.

i tried to edit my post doesn't seem to be working wanted to add in that your 4 bet sizing isn't really that bad. i mean you have qq on button against a loose bb you have the nuts.... If flops like these feel uncomfortable then making your bet sizing bigger preflop or flatting eliminates tough decisions like these postflop so it's purely a matter of what you prefer. Also 3 bet and 4 bet stats help alot in these spots

Yes I think you're points are what I was talking about. OP needs to play this hand not only as QQ but how he would any 4bet which is why he should pretty much always bet flop or check flop and turn to get value from him trying to bet you off your hand (in the 1st 4bet pot) so that he stays in control

but as played im not folding turn, even tho his min c/r looks so strong, but because i think he knows this i think that it does put air into his range thus ima still calling down on river until i see that he doesn't ever have air here

edit: oh i didn't realize our stack size, but that doesn't matter cause altho my thought apply more to deeper stacked they still apply here

wtf the 4-bet sizing is absolutely fine, what are you people smoking? Anywhere between 24 and 28 is a good size. As played I just bet/call the flop forl ike $20