Is this a raise on the river? I know there are more value hands I am ahead of but is it a high variance move? I am finding thin plays at this level have a negative impact on my game because when I lose, I tilt.

Why on earth are you checking the river?

Check river is not terrible I think given villains line. Considering he checked back the flop he is repping sets or air (ok he has a stupidly played top pair in this instance but generally the range here is sets/air.

Vs a range of better sets/air what merit is there to betting the river unless you feel he is going to bluff raise? As for raising river. Same logic applies I feel.

Snowball: Its virtually impossible to give you any meaningful advice without some basic information about the Villain.

At the very least give us a player type and better if you can give us reads/stats and recent gameflow/dynamic between the two of you.

Fold pre

Lead turn

As played bet river

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His value range is very thin, i don't think he calls a raise on the river with top pair against a player he has never seen. I would bet the river and just call if he raises.

What range are you targetting to value bet river here? Would you also lead river with AK in this spot after the turn raise? AK and 66 iare moreor less the same hand vs villians calling and value range here.

We are actually behind his value range (weighting the times (roughly %25) he checks back flop with KK and KQ and raises turn) 41/58.

He has to play top pair and OPs like this alot of the time for this to be a clear value bet.

Check call river is the best line. We don't beat enough of his range to value bet and a greater portion of this range will be air after this line.

The strength of ones hand doesn't drive our decision our value bet. It's villians calling range.

It's zoom so no reads. I sometimes play on the iPad (a conversation for another time).

My check on Turn was because I didn't think there were any hands that would call Turn that wouldn't bet. Plus ch/r will get a lot of calls from top pair hands that are confused by my line..

I thought call PF is fine. Stacks pretty deep and I have position.

Lead turn. (unless specific reads that he likes to pot control with hands as strong as TP, cause that's primarily where your value for a c/r will come from on the turn).

As played, bet river and it's not close imo.

By their line, villain was misrepresenting their range on the flop, so this may be that 25% you referenced.

In any event:

I'm not taking this line with AK fwiw, nor do I have any intention of turning made hands into bluffs.

It seems we agree on leading the turn, yes?

I am betting river because there's no reason we can't be bluffing here, and there's also no reason villain can't get sticky with some weak Qx that checked the flop for pot control, in addition to the slowplayed big hands mentioned above.



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Lots of FPS going on in op, and mistakes. Pre is a fold. I think c/r turn is a mistake because I doubt you're balanced here. What hands are you c/r bluffing here? 78? Do you even flat 78 here? Do you c/r turn with JT or do you lead turn? Are you c/r 9x,6x,88 turning it into a bluff? I just think you're going to be extremely value heavy when you take this line and villain can fold all hands that you have beat. Checking the river after c/r the turn is a mistake as well. It just allows villain to check back all hands you have beat and bet hands that have you beat except KQ. I think you got lucky to run into KQ here. I think villains value betting range on river is KK,QQ,JT,KQ. He likely bets KK and JT on the flop but it's possible he checks those some % of the time. Likely checks back river w/ any 1 pair hand. And if you do c/r bluff some hands and want to bluff river with them then you need value hands in your range and I can't think of to many better hands than 66.

FPS is a fair comment. I have over thought it and should have just lead Turn and bet River. At the time I thought the ch/r was a good move but that seems silly now as there aren't a huge amount of hands in his calling range that I beat.

Still unsure why I should fold preflop. What implied odds u think I need?

Qft

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Don't fold pre (but I suck and don't like folding very much so it might be correct), bet turn bet river.

I missread the hand totally so ignore me. I thought villian checked back flop and raised turn so all my comments were based on that.

As for balance at Nl50. You just don't need to be concerned with all that.

It's might not be to bad given how deep you are, but you are pop which makes it less attractive.

UTG raises to $1, Hero calls $1,

This drives me crazy, Never in my life do I call a raise from UTG first to act.....
I have 2 options, fold or better yet RAISE, passive always win vs aggression for some reason these days. What happened?
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Filter your database and check your winrates calling vs raising any pair or any hand for that matter....
If you are happy with 1-2bbs/100 then remain passive, if you want your winrate to quadruple you need to get off the passive is right lines. CALLING is almost never an option...
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