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Value shove or not?

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06-15-2010 , 07:39 PM

KCrow

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,383

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
Hero ($198)
BB ($365)
UTG ($274)
CO ($211)
BTN ($172)

Dealt to Hero 8

UTG raises to $4, fold, fold, Hero calls $3, fold

FLOP ($10) A

Hero checks, UTG checks

TURN ($10) A

Hero bets $8, UTG calls $8

RIVER ($26) A

Hero bets $18, UTG raises to $48, Hero.........

No reads on villain, the general standard of play is awful on this particular site which I'm pretty new to. Shove or just call?

06-15-2010 , 07:46 PM

Greco

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,564

Just call, worse is rarely calling.
This is a really loose defend by the way, probably not good Vs an utg range, even to a min raise

06-15-2010 , 08:08 PM

skibbel

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,867

if the avarage play is agressive awful i push otherwise i call

06-15-2010 , 08:09 PM

nanonoko

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,201

If you think they are that "awful" then it's likely you can get called by worse here am I right?

06-15-2010 , 08:24 PM

Nirwanda

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7,699

He has to be reaaaally bad if you're making profit by calling a 4bb UTG raise OOP with J8.

As played though, it's an obvious push.

06-15-2010 , 10:28 PM

DevinLake

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17,026

How do you define awful? Are guys doing stuff like calling J8s oop in HU pots?

Anyway, I'd just call the river. I guess he could call a shove with a worse flush, be he's folding anything else.

06-16-2010 , 02:07 AM

gimmetheloot

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,371

shove. there are like 3 combos of better flushes and he could have some AA **** here

06-16-2010 , 02:40 AM

Into2ndWind

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,683

this is 1/2, its a minraise. anyway, i just call here, i think he shows up with KsQs a lot and not too many worse flushes

06-16-2010 , 05:47 PM

Prasty

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 331

OOP usually i don't call a raise MP w/ J8s w/o info..

as played, call river..

06-16-2010 , 06:53 PM

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ComEriJanMD

adept

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,049

i don't think i can just call there

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