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06-03-2008 , 11:50 PM

naaz

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Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BB: $216.05
UTG: $203.00
MP: $292.25
CO: $61.00
Hero (BTN): $286.65
SB: $377.05

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J

UTG raises to $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($26.00) A

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($26.00) 5

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $16, Hero calls $16, SB folds, UTG calls $16

River: ($74.00) K

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $55, Hero raises to $264.65 all in

utg was taggy,

mp kind of unknown but i remember at the time thinking he was donkish

06-03-2008 , 11:56 PM

Hoopster81

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,277

This is almost certainly spew.

Bet the flop.

06-04-2008 , 12:40 AM

ASC-what

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this seems too fps, especially without really good reads

06-04-2008 , 12:46 AM

Dark_Mace

adept

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 748

I dont like doign it because utg is in the hand still, and MP bets into 2 people on a 3 flush board.

He leads turn, leads river, multi way pot. I think this is aweful. What do you expect he plays this way but folds to on the river?

06-04-2008 , 12:57 AM

vancouverspecial

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Seems this would be a lot better in a heads-up pot. Villains value-betting range should be pretty tight on the river here given the over-call by UTG.

Given you say he may be slightly fishy, I think having Ah does nothing for your hand, other than taking a heart out of the deck. We're not expecting villain to lay down any flush, right?

I also don't see the point in checking the flop here. Betting the flop looks like a weaker hand than AJ imo, and this doesn't seem to be a spot to get tricky when it looks like both players have conceited the pot to you.

06-04-2008 , 03:23 AM

Lego05

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I'd actually fold pre-flop mostly....maybe 3bet sometimes actually. I dunno....I find I don't really like calling here with one caller already in front of me.

As is bet that flop for sure.

I'm against shoving that river. I think calling the river is better than shoving it. It's either call or fold IMO.

06-04-2008 , 03:41 AM

PJ0548

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wtf are you doing?!
bet flop for value from draws and weaker aces
call turn is fine i guess because if you raise a lot weaker hands like Ax will fold
on river imo fold > call > raise
MP looks kinda strong betting twice 4way and 3way and hearts complete so what do you beat here..

06-04-2008 , 04:07 AM

Jever

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I think, as played, your hand has showdown value and would prefer to call here.
Bluffing in this spot against two people w/o solid reads seems pretty wild.

06-04-2008 , 04:29 AM

Bonk

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I think he'll fold for 175 pretty much the same as 250 here. If he's donk then don't bluff him ldo.

06-04-2008 , 04:39 AM

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czGLoRy

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,580

I looked at this a bit and if MP was the tag I like this, otherwise I just fold. MP looks like he has you beat, but unkonwn/donks typically don't lay down any hand as good/better than yours.

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