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Turning a made hand into a bluff? - 200NL FTP Turning a made hand into a bluff? - 200NL FTP

01-07-2008 , 05:33 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $159.95
BB: $185.55
UTG: $123.25
Hero (CO): $101.50
BTN: $124.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN raises to $11, 2 folds, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($23.50) 2 Q 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $17, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($57.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($57.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $23, Hero raises to $73.50 all in


Villain is 24/15, seems to know what hes doing, but still plays pretty straightfoward. It feels like he hit this jack on the river, is this line ok?
01-07-2008 , 06:01 AM
I think the most important question is 'What do you think his range is on the turn when he checks through?'

Last edited by TJ Eckleburg12; 01-07-2008 at 06:07 AM. Reason: punctuation
01-07-2008 , 06:03 AM
I'm not positive if this is better than calling, and I'm not positive calling is better than folding,
01-07-2008 , 06:10 AM
You might get looked up real light here. Villain prolly is not gonna lay down any Q or J here. AQ AJ, KQ, KJ are all in his range.
01-07-2008 , 06:30 AM
agree with fonkey. if i'm not folding I much rather call then put in more money only to *maybe* fold out a Jack.

Last edited by Mejis; 01-07-2008 at 06:50 AM.
01-07-2008 , 06:35 AM
folding > raising > calling imo
01-07-2008 , 09:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trikkur
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $159.95
BB: $185.55
UTG: $123.25
Hero (CO): $101.50
BTN: $124.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN raises to $11, 2 folds, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($23.50) 2 Q 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $17, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($57.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($57.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $23, Hero raises to $73.50 all in


Villain is 24/15, seems to know what hes doing, but still plays pretty straightfoward. It feels like he hit this jack on the river, is this line ok?


Let's say he only reraises his best hands (you say he is straightforward). Then the hands you are still beating after the flop are AK,AJs. It's quite standard for people to bet this flop with most of their range including 99,TT.

What do we then make of his riverbet: it's unlikely that he will valuebet Jx because I don't see what he can expect a call from. But even if it were the case, he's getting very good odds against a strange line.

So I feel the only hand you are beating on the river is AK, which will not call your raise because he knows you have a made hand always (preflop and flop).

I feel the river is very -EV. And as you say he plays straightforward, I don't see how you can turn 88 into a profit oop against a very dominated range.
01-07-2008 , 09:30 AM
this kind of play is not even worth devoting a second of discussion to when people can put you on a missed flush draw. wait for a rainbow flop and come back and try again
01-07-2008 , 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketPiquette
folding > raising > calling imo
Letters
01-07-2008 , 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by terp
this kind of play is not even worth devoting a second of discussion to when people can put you on a missed flush draw. wait for a rainbow flop and come back and try again
This is what I thought when I first read the hand.
01-07-2008 , 11:25 AM
Your only beating AK unless villain has rerasied alot pre with hands like suitd connectors 77 AQ KQ on the button. Your risking your hole stack on one hand you can beat in most cases. You should just fold.

      
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