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Turned str8 facing donkbet in 3b pot 200bb deep

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12-11-2012 , 08:29 AM

ForeverLearning

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Villain :

Best play on the turn?

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14954011

MP: $194.11 (194.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $234.03 (234 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $184.70 (184.7 bb)
BB: $52.94 (52.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, MP calls $9

Flop: ($25.50) 7

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $17, MP calls $17

Turn: ($59.50) T

(2 players)
MP bets $27

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12-11-2012 , 10:14 AM

chiego

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call

12-11-2012 , 10:40 AM

PeoplesElbow

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prob call then call/raise river depending on card

12-11-2012 , 11:13 AM

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probably raise on that card. a really fishy player doesn't have much pure air, so it really comes down to how weakly he is betting here. some guys do this as a test, but most fish are simply never folding T9 or JT or even AT to a raise provided you size it well.

i'd also bet more on the flop with these stacks

12-11-2012 , 11:37 AM

ForeverLearning

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shove I suppose then?

12-11-2012 , 11:41 AM

terp

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shove? you can raise to between 54 and 170 and you want to do 170?

12-11-2012 , 11:48 AM

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I don't know, I guess we can minraise if that makes him spazzshove but anything bigger than a minraise is pot commiting right?

I think shoving looks weaker than raising 3x

12-11-2012 , 12:03 PM

terp

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looks weaker? jamming basically two buyins into the pot? i think you are quite wrong

12-11-2012 , 12:11 PM

ForeverLearning

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Probably. how much would you make it and why?

12-11-2012 , 12:31 PM

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jherward

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I'd make it $65-$80 on the turn,you want to give his weak flush draws odds to call and you want to give his strong hands a chance to shove over the top.If you shove the turn he's definitely folding all his draws and might find some hero folds with hands a smaller raise could get value from.

Another reason I raise the turn is to get all the money in,this deep if you call you are relying on him betting the river in order to get the money in whereas raising the turn means you can shove the river with a less than pot size bet.

Last edited by jherward; 12-11-2012 at 12:52 PM.

12-11-2012 , 12:41 PM

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ForeverLearning

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Makes sense, say we had a set instead. Does the plan change?

12-11-2012 , 12:51 PM

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jherward

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I think I'd play a set the same although I'm not sure I'd feel great if I had 77 or TT here and villain 3bet me.I'd need more info on how light villain can get it in if you had it.

Also according to your stats villain donks 33% of flops,do you have any info on what type of hands he likes to donk and how he reacts to raises?What does the number in brackets mean?

12-11-2012 , 12:58 PM

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No I don't, number in brackets is number of opportunities

12-11-2012 , 01:41 PM

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jherward

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Ah okay well donk betting 33% means he probably does it light enough even if the sample is limited.I still like raising as there are a lot of river cards that are action killers and you need to get value.I think you'll get a lot of folds but that is made up for by the times you win a 200bb pot.

12-11-2012 , 01:43 PM

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*400bb pot :P

12-11-2012 , 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow

prob call then call/raise river depending on card

Not quite sure what advantages this line has over just raising the turn given the fact that there are a good number of river cards that we won't feel comfortable raising on and that he will almost certainly never fold 2 pair+/Axdd if we raise now?

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