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Turn line. Check or bet?

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08-17-2011 , 11:00 AM

BlackZilla

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $208.53 (208.5 bb)
UTG: $60.10 (60.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $258.33 (258.3 bb)
CO: $57.65 (57.7 bb)
BTN: $97.15 (97.2 bb)
SB: $102.07 (102.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8

CO posts BB OOP, UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.50) 4

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.50, UTG calls $7.50

Turn: ($28.50) 5

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $18.50, UTG raises to $47.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $28.60

River: ($122.70) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Villain has vpip/pfr of 53/12 after 260 Hands, and is my current target. My image at the table is pretty tight (22/16), and recently I've shown good hands (3 of which against villain).

I expect him to have many weak Ax hand on the flop, which I think he will call quite liberally, just to see a turn card.

Question 1:
The turn card hits all his Ax and puts another flush draw out there... Should I have just checked the turn to get a free card, or trying to get a fold for any non Ax hand is a reasonable strategy?

Question 2:
Is the call after his push also questionable? If he doesn't have any spade, then hitting is 3:1 on a pot offering 3.3:1

How many outs is reasonable to count in this spot?

Thanks.

08-17-2011 , 11:11 AM

COOKIIIIIIIIE

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 615

Why are you making it 5.5x pre? 3.5-4 would have done the same thing without making the pot unnecessarily huge.

I don't know why you're betting the turn, especially after mentioning he'll have plenty of Ax hands. Bet/call turn is burning money basically, just check turn and fold every river you don't improve on.

08-17-2011 , 11:17 AM

orange

Guest

Posts: n/a

turn is a standard check spot, given board texture/pot size/opponent.

08-17-2011 , 11:21 AM

BlackZilla

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11

The main reason to make it 5.5 was to have him fold at least some times... he seemed to have never respected smaller raises before...

Thanks.

08-17-2011 , 11:23 AM

BlackZilla

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11

Ok. Thanks for the hints. I guess I'll have to turn down my overall aggression on the turn...

08-17-2011 , 01:37 PM

flip4stax

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 16

check back turn. as you says turn card improves villains perceived range, and we dont want to bet/fold since we do have decent equity. if the river comes Xs, we most likely stack Ax/6x/some lower spade draws since villain looks to be brutal.

08-17-2011 , 01:39 PM

TheStuntman

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,390

I'm in the same boat as OP, never know what to do in that spot. Against this opponent however, he's most likely gonna go to SD with you so you have to check back I would think.

08-17-2011 , 03:34 PM

shlhe3

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 203

i see two options:
1. bet ~$10 on the flop and shove turn
2. check the flop back

cbetting and checking the turn guarantees that were gonna lose the hand unless the river is a spade. imo

08-17-2011 , 07:01 PM

Cash Beast Ezra

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,279

Quote:

Originally Posted by shlhe3

i see two options:
1. bet ~$10 on the flop and shove turn
2. check the flop back

cbetting and checking the turn guarantees that were gonna lose the hand unless the river is a spade. imo

Not necessarily true, but even if this is our plan we should be able to deviate from it if we get a particularly bad turn card such as this one.

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