Have like 5 hands on villain so he's unknown. His range is pretty wide here. He could be floating with something like AQ or a pp or he could have flopped a set. Against his range I figure I'm a good favorite. Would a crai be optimal here? Or am I better off just betting out

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($106)
BB ($210)
UTG ($99.45)
UTG+1 ($89.90)
CO ($100)
BTN ($100)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, fold, BTN calls $7

FLOP ($21) 7 5 3

Hero bets $14, BTN calls $14

TURN ($49) 7 5 3 2

Hero ?

iif you 3bet pre then youre hoping for exactly this flop so bet bet bet.
against an unknown this kinda sucks though bc it means you have to get it in if he 4 bets or ahve to play a 3bet pot oop having no clue how he plays...

betting out here is far superior readless because a lot of hands are checking behind and you will have a hard time getting value from worse hands on J+ overcards where you don't know to bet fold or c/c, keep control of the pot and extract value by betting out

b/f seems standard imo?

anyone like c/r AI because he's floating a lot of this 3 bet calling range on this flop...?

EDIT ^^^ seems spewy no?

I mean crai wouldn't be terrible because you do get value from stubborn hands like AQ and AK that didn't want to fold flop (or other floats obv), but I think the value you sacrifice when he checks back worse hands here and doesn't call river bets with scare cards makes b/f'ing turn more optimal.

You're readless. Doesn't that make your hand range a tad optimistic?

Edit:

Also, if you want value from stubborn stupid hands, you shouldn't xr, you should value bet small or check call... why does xrai make any sense?

I think crai is considered because we don't have to play river. If we decide to c/c we still have no read and river becomes infinitely harder to play with no read, OOP and a ton of over cards that can hit his turn barreling range once we check. But ya, the more I look at it, it seems spewy and optimistic. I guess I still like b/f...

I know you're not advocating it but that strategy seems to amount to:rather than play river, we ensure that we always get stacked by better hands on the turn? That may make life easier but it's not much of a strategy.

xrai some AA, KK, QQ, and some semibluffs is a fine mixed strategy when playing against a strong range readless. Against a crazy fish your value range can get pretty thin and you want to eliminate semibluffs (we don't have that read). Against a more aggro, floaty player we can start to xrai thinner draws like AK (we don't have that read).

TT doesn't have much value against an unknown as a XR, and it certainly doesn't have outs to improve.

If I'm being weak-tight about this, educate me.

why on earth would we be afraid to play a river here? just bet turn big (best way to rep a draw) and get it in, against an unknown anything else is straight FPS based on blind hope that he does something goofy. bet/folding is out of the question.

flatting pre is an option and is my default readless.

[QUOTE=kingofcuriosity;16774276]b/f seems standard imo?QUOTE]

I think b/c is standard here. How much are you betting on turn with the intention of folding to a raise? You have $82 left and the pot is $49. Any decent size bet and I think you MUST call it off, no?

IMO b/c >> crai >>> b/f

If we're b/calling, what sizing do you guys like on the turn and why?

Edit: Also, if villain flats turn, shoving all rivers?

i would b/c

not like he actually shoves a set here lol

if we b/c what hand do you expect to get value from having no clue on how he plays?

random **** that floated and picked up a draw, 7x, 88, 99, 54s, random spaz outs

people suck at poker. if it turns out this is cts making a vid at an edu table i guess we're out of luck, that's an argument for flatting pre.

im basically always betting again here

are you ppl bet-bet-shoving TTon 972r3o2o board vs unknow ccalling in this spot?

Seems like a pretty standard b/c if you got to this spot with your hand, this is a turn that will get a second barrel from any Ax hand very often because of the added equity, whether your villain is thinking on that level is for you to decide, in that same breath a lot of people know this and decide to go with their one pair hands on the turn not wanting you to a see a river and then having to face another decision.

I think if you not happy bet/calling in this spot then you prob should not be 3betting TT in the first place. I think going for a c/r or c/c will leave you with way too many rivers that either kill your action or possibly have to you fold the best hand, b/f is out of the question if you 3betting TT for value

Now that I look back a bet call would've been good. I actually ended up crai the turn. He bet $30 then folded to my shove.

I bet this turn and call a shove. I like that over checkraising as if all the money goes in on this turn, I want to be the caller, not the bettor. When I'm the one betting all in, he is more likely to play his hand correctly (calling if he's winning, folding if he's losing). When he's the one betting all in, his range opens up to more hands I beat. Also a bit curious about how you're defining his range when you've said you know zero about him.

and he had?????

You hate all rivers almost so bet.

He folded so I never saw his hand