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11-30-2008 , 06:52 PM
Similar situation as my last post. What are your thoughts on turn play in this situation? How to not give free cards vs. not to value town yourself

Villain 59/16/1.9

BTN: $195.09
SB: $168.56
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $100.05
MP: $117.88
CO: $128.63

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 6 4 9 (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $13, CO folds, SB calls $8

Turn: ($39.00) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $26, SB raises to $151.56 all in, Hero calls $57.05 all in

River: ($205.10) J (2 players - 2 are all in)
11-30-2008 , 07:24 PM
You've got to raise the flop more if you're going to raise it. As played, Villain only has to call $8, which he has the odds to do with almost any draw. Since he's loose, he'll likely chase draws even without the odds to do so; so make him pay the price.


Once you call his donk, the pot is $23.
So I'd have raised to $23 or so, making him call another $18.


As played, I likely fold to the C/R. I don't think he does this with a draw or something like A9 very often, and if we're behind we're way behind.
11-30-2008 , 08:07 PM
i'd definitely raise more on the flop, and the turn i'd bet about 1/2 pot and likely give up to further action
12-01-2008 , 06:42 AM
Is this a 100% fold on the turn considering i have a SD, over pair if up against a set plus counterfeit outs, plus very slight chance i have the best hand?
12-01-2008 , 08:59 AM
id def raise more on flop then since pot would be bigger id shve turn for a slight overbet
12-01-2008 , 02:24 PM
Your best case scenario if behind is that Villain has 2 pair, which you have about 24% equity against. If Villain has a set, then your equity is down to 12% or so. Even with the best case, you don't have the pot odds to call off your last $57.


You might be ahead, but there's at least as good a chance that Villian has a set or weird straight and your equity is much lower than the 24% that still isn't good enough. Also, turn check-raises are a monster hand much more than they are a draw.


A more interesting question is what to do if Villain bet/3bets the flop all in, since he's much more likely to do this with draws than to C/R the turn with them. The problem here is that our equity against a big draw (FD+overs, FD+pair, OESFD) is around 50% or worse and our equity against sets or higher overpairs really sucks. As much as I turn into a station on drawy boards, I think folding to a bet/3bet is the right move.

      
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