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06-16-2010 , 07:39 PM
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - Converter

Villian is 19/11 0% 3bet over 70 hands. Passive post flop as well

C betting with mid pair ok? seems like a pretty dry board but im turning it in to a bluff as theres not much value to be had here with no draws, maybe some lower PPs in his range, turn is blank. River completes straight if he had JQ but i dont really see him callin 2 streets with that. Is this a good spot to triple barrel? I pretty much just put him on a K after he calls 2 streets and am not sure whether to fire again or not. Maybe c/f turn instead?

I guess my question is more of, what type of boards should we be triple barreling? i dont think this is it because it doesnt seem like he has anything else but a K.




Hero (CO): $134.75
BTN: $122.90
SB: $71.25
BB: $287.50
UTG: $113.95
MP: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 7 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 4 K 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.00, BTN calls $13

River: ($43.50) T (2 players)
Hero ??

Last edited by un.true; 06-16-2010 at 07:45 PM.
06-16-2010 , 07:43 PM
my std is to chk turn and re-eval, prob call one and give up on river first time around

definitely not betting river tho
06-16-2010 , 07:49 PM
apparently I missed the memo telling everyone to bluff with 2nd pair to get top pair to fold..
06-16-2010 , 07:54 PM
why do you bet the turn? if it's as a bluff then what hands did you want him to fold
06-16-2010 , 08:14 PM
Definitely check the turn, hes not calling with any worse anymore and betting doesn't accomplish much. Just check/call or check/fold based on reads / sizing (is he calling here with hands like JT, QJ and betting the turn if you check to him? is he ever floating flop with random crap and betting turn if you check to him?)
06-16-2010 , 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gotnonick
why do you bet the turn? if it's as a bluff then what hands did you want him to fold
Trying to fold out everything hero doesn't beat obv.

Seriously, check the turn & as played don't bet river. Villain isn't going anywhere.
06-16-2010 , 09:30 PM
I tend not to barrel in spots where the turn didn't hurt his range, and you didn't pick up any equity. I definitely don't triple barrel in spots where his range is heavily favoured to Kx hands, and the river isn't going to scare him either.
06-16-2010 , 09:46 PM
Check the turn and call on turn and fold to river bet to start out and then go from there. A lot of times these players will take one stab with QT, J10 QJ and give up when these miss on river. Trying to bluff ppl off top pair is never a good idea when your only 100bb deep unless you have a very good read.
06-16-2010 , 10:56 PM
Do people really check/call here?
06-17-2010 , 12:16 AM
River isn't much of a scare card, if hes calling turn hes calling river imo.
06-17-2010 , 04:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hWu
River isn't much of a scare card, if hes calling turn hes calling river imo.
Ya it's an awful spot to 3 barrel bluff, only thing that you are bluffing is top pair and good luck getting that to ever fold.
06-17-2010 , 04:37 AM
Other than a 7, 9 and any diamond, is there any other turn card worth barreling in this spot?
06-17-2010 , 04:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaisuke
Other than a 7, 9 and any diamond, is there any other turn card worth barreling in this spot?
Not against this type of player, there are some fish I would barrel to turn for value against.
06-17-2010 , 04:57 AM
Well I think firing the turn is better than check calling but vs a nit check fold is prob better.
06-17-2010 , 05:58 AM
dont like the turn-bet but what about shoving river now? A player like him almost always has AK, KQ or KJ here, in my experience these guys raise a set at some point. and a huge overbet (though repping a small range) should get him off even the top of his range...
06-17-2010 , 12:37 PM
Yeah turn and river bets are bad imo.
And unless he floats a lot, the flop can be a check too if he's passive.
06-17-2010 , 03:49 PM
i dont even cbet here. if he calls the flop bet, you're beat pretty much always. there isn't a single legit draw for him to call with. i'd rather c/c the flop to induce him to possibly take a stab.

and i'd c/f every street after UI.

unless villain has shown he'll exploit such a strat on dry boards, that is how i'd play it. and since you say he's passive, he probably isn't.
06-17-2010 , 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dying Actors
i dont even cbet here. if he calls the flop bet, you're beat pretty much always. there isn't a single legit draw for him to call with. i'd rather c/c the flop to induce him to possibly take a stab.

and i'd c/f every street after UI.

unless villain has shown he'll exploit such a strat on dry boards, that is how i'd play it. and since you say he's passive, he probably isn't.
with villain's low pfr there's plenty of value in taking down the pot (because villain can often have 6+ outs) with a cbet and little value in checking because villain is passive post
06-17-2010 , 04:25 PM
Turn barrel on diam,7,9. C/f turn unless villian's capable of floating w/ 10j QJ Q10 etc
06-17-2010 , 04:36 PM
Vs passive it is easier to get to showdown so checking flop becomes an option with our marginal hands. However c-betting a dry board is probably also my preferred option. Turn though I'm not betting here without reads/history. I'd be looking to check down and fold to any bet.
06-17-2010 , 08:21 PM
after his turn call his hand is very well defined to being a top pair hand, so definitely do not fire river. i am giving this up as early as on the turn against a 19/11.

      
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