[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BTN: $100 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $107.90 (107.9 bb)
BB: $169.58 (169.6 bb)
UTG: $101.39 (101.4 bb)
MP: $209.45 (209.5 bb)
CO: $371.17 (371.2 bb) Loose Whale 33/20

Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
2 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero raises to $9, BB folds, CO calls $6

Flop: ($19) 5 T 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, CO raises to $33, Hero raises to $98.90 and is all-in, CO calls $65.90

Turn: ($216.80) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($216.80) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)


Played super tired. Usually I see folds or JJ in such spots. Still probably better to just jam, even though fold is super safe

WP vs fish

Looks fine

I wouldn't 3bet this hand against a fish.

ATo I might, not ATs... Does depend on the two players still in the pot but I doubt id be taking this line with this hand...

If you had ATo, then would have been a good play. Although, this guy doesn't actually look like a huge fish to me so a few more stats might change things.

^ why would you 3b weaker hands and flat stronger ones vs fish? That makes 0 sense.

Huh?

We don't just play to our current hand strength. ATs can be played better Postflop with a call... By 3betting I do think we make a little profit, so do it with weaker hands like ATo, but we make more by calling our suited AT.

-We could raise it easily on later streets for value and still get it in.
-We can choose to take a slower line if we want a smaller pot on later streets.

How can you judge his play as good or bad without more infos? Against some fish its well played against most its probably close.

That said, you should probably 3b bigger

Against a range of everything, we have that much equity, but I doubt its nearly accurate at all:
Hand 0: 53.715% { JJ-99, 55, AhQh, AhJh, ATs, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah4h, Ac3c, Ah3h, Ah2h, KhQh, KhJh, KTs, QhJh, QTs, JTs, 9h8h, 8h7h, 7h6h, ATo }
Hand 1: 46.285% { AsTs }

Against a more relastic range, we have :
Hand 0: 65.993% { JJ-99, 55, AhQh, AhJh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, KhQh, KJs, QhJh, 9h8h, 8h7h, 7h6h }
Hand 1: 34.007% { AsTs }

And he might not even fastplay all of this flushdraws... Its Close though

I agree, fold might be better. Since I have no idea how bad(or aggro) this guy is

There's not many fish against whom this is a good play.

You said yourself that 3betting is close so don't do it if your hand is good enough to call.

It depends on the type of fish, I think.

I totally agree with you here. Against most fish I can't see them calling off with worse than A10 unless he is terrabad. Think calling pre here is the best option you have a strong hand and it plays in position well, you can chose whether to bloat the pot on later streets.

Yea fish deff gonna fold A2-A9 to 3bets. You probably play live or smthing

I don't.. I made 200k playing cash games online.

Yes the fish may call with those hands. Though it's not likely. The fact that there is a little profit from a 3bet is true and is not the issue.

Were just saying that there is more profit/less loses, from a call.

Yadoula, you are wrong.

I never said they would to a 3 bet I'm saying is by 3 betting you probably lose value in the long run with this hand. You are certainly not going to get 3 streets of max value from a2-a9 when you jam. So by flatting let them over rep their hand and make the mistake.

You are wrong too.

Care to explain in detail...

Also what are you putting him on when he raises you here? he flats q10 I would presume it's either a set or a bluff so why not flat and see if he spazzys turn or not. He folds out all bluffs and you lose value.

He's a fish, he can have a wide variety of things.

Infact just re looked at the hand and I think flop play if fine I just would prefer a flat pre as your not always flopping top pair remember.

Do you flat KK pre as well then?

No, but there is quite a difference between ace high and KK.

I agree

My point was that KK doesn't always flop top pair, which is the only reason you gave for flatting AT

Correct. Better flat AK too and see a flop first, it's only a drawing hand.

Wait, wtf, it's not 2004?