Stage #1673741976: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2009-10-04 02:15:11 (ET)
Table: WINSTON (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - HERO ($274.20 in chips)
Seat 3 - PSUMOORE18 ($46.92 in chips)
Seat 4 - KILAINSTINKT ($167.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - MRRORSCHACH ($107.20 in chips)
PSUMOORE18 - Posts small blind $0.50
KILAINSTINKT - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [10d Qd]
MRRORSCHACH - Folds
HERO - Raises $3.50 to $3.50
PSUMOORE18 - Calls $3
KILAINSTINKT - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 8h Qs]
PSUMOORE18 - Bets $8
HERO -??????????

Opponent is a total fish calls absolutely everything preflop, i dont know what to make of this donk bet. I dont think he has a set,two pair, im thinking either top pair or a draw most likely maybe even air. I just hate shoving in these kinda spots and running into QK or AQ, what do u guys think shove or fold?

Sorry convertor never works for me

don't shove raise to like $20, you are way ahead of his donk/call range here which is middle pair, bottom pair, top pair worse kicker, flush and straight draws, and even random air. raise for value and keep betting all the way against these guys

You need reads. Lacking that, I would call and go from there.

wtf is this ****? lol

a true reply..

call and reevalute turn.

why are u calling? dont just say call and revaluate tell me why exactly u would call and why that is better then folding or shoving. If you believe ur ahead why would u call? and give him free cards? put urself in more difficult situations? lose value from ur hand?

If u believe ur behind? why pay him off and not just fold?

U can't just say "ummm...call and revaluate" that doesnt help anything.

Because raising usually lets him play optimally and fold all worse hands unless you can induce him to spazz somehow.
Call to keep his bluffing range in and more importantly vs most fish who donk, call to keep his weak made hand range in; fishy players tend to prefer betting these hands themselves. You won't get to dictate the betsize as much as you'd like but that tradeoff is usually worth it imo

Oh and one critical flaw in your thinking that needs fixing:
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Ranges change depending on his action. Take an extreme example, a villain who never bluffs flop and turn but who can bluff only the flop....or just compare people's two barreling vs three barreling ranges.

I just don't see how calling can be more profitable then raising. If raising is way to thin, then I can see a call to keep in hands I can beat. He will have so many hands that I have beat here and I can still get value from like draws, worse top pairs, middle pairs and calling just lets him get there for free.

When hes donking, he could be doing it with any pair "to see where he is" and will fold to a raise but may call down on later streets (alot of 100nl donks will do this). Or he might be doing it with air in which case you want him to barrel off. Your in position with a marginal hand, you have the option to play the rest of the streets in position and play better than him, why would you waste it. Also his stack is so short that you don't have to worry about getting the money in, and don't need to worry to much about charging draws. I would call and see a turn.

The most profitable line to take