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T9o 3-bet pot. I have 2nd pair and Villain overbets river. T9o 3-bet pot. I have 2nd pair and Villain overbets river.

10-22-2008 , 03:40 PM
PF is not that good imo.

Unless you have a read that he start spazz bluffing when you check behind in 3-bet pots I can't really see why you would want to check behind this flop.

Yes, it sucks to get raised on this flop but it sucks even more to be lead into on turn and not knowing anything about his hand strength realtive to ours. You're range is so polarized on turn compared to his. Of course this might make it more of a call on river but I don't think people overbet bluff without the goods here without history.

And lol at our hand being a bluff if betting flop. We cut equity from overs and people will call with worse holdings from time to time.
10-22-2008 , 03:55 PM
the absolute only way you can bet this flop ppl is if you have a strong enough read to get it in on the flop
10-22-2008 , 04:14 PM
I think you played it fine, and i call river.

I don't mind betcalling the flop too
10-22-2008 , 07:16 PM
I bet/call the flop vs. a lot of regs, depends on his prelop 4b tendencies. River's pretty close actually, ppl are reading WAY too much into betsizing imho because if he is any good his bluffs and his VBs are both shoves -- betting 2/3 pot or whatever just never makes sense given stack sizes.

OTOH a good player would consider that when he sized his turn bet, so that tells you either that he set it up like this on purpose or that he's not good.
10-23-2008 , 03:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rsxpunk
the absolute only way you can bet this flop ppl is if you have a strong enough read to get it in on the flop

Well, there's always one. Level, I suppose? Seriosly, there are arguments for both betting and checking, but none for getting it "in on the flop". Not that it needed to be said.

Pot control is very 2007, and it's 2008. It's hard to know if your opponent understands that. Bottom line, you don't know enough about him. If he is good, he knows your check means weakness, and barreliing the turn and river will earn him a pot a whole hell of a lot of the time.

Check to the idiots, bet against the REAL villains.
10-23-2008 , 06:25 AM
I called and he showed me AA.

And I don't think a call is that bad. He's repping such a small range (flush,77 or the case 99).
10-23-2008 , 06:28 AM
fine fold river... wtf

      
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