My first thought is I wonder whether the bolded parts are correlated? Pick better hands to 3-bet.

I won't hold you to that if you have another -12k day

ADK,

i went through a stretch where i was hemorrhaging money in 3bet pots, so what i did was i stopped playing them. i would 4bet or fold when faced w/ a 3bet and 3bet a really polarized range. once i got my confidence back a little i moved down and worked on calling some 3bets and 3betting more marginal value hands and slowly worked it into my game for my normal stakes. hope that helps.

hand of the day

PokerStars Game #23315124563: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/12/27 19:09:08 ET
Table 'Nemesis II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: tomsOn ($759.50 in chips)
Seat 2: gawdawaful ($1398 in chips)
Seat 3: Rizla884 ($773 in chips)
Seat 4: mdom ($600 in chips)
Seat 5: djforever ($609 in chips)
Seat 6: pierreabs ($705.30 in chips)
tomsOn: posts small blind $3
gawdawaful: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mdom [Qd As]
Rizla884: folds
mdom: raises $12 to $18
djforever: folds
pierreabs: raises $12 to $30
tomsOn: folds
gawdawaful: folds
mdom: raises $66 to $96
pierreabs: calls $66
*** FLOP *** [Ks Qs 7h]
mdom: bets $127
pierreabs: calls $127
*** TURN *** [Ks Qs 7h] [2s]
mdom: bets $377 and is all-in
pierreabs: calls $377
*** RIVER *** [Ks Qs 7h 2s] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mdom: shows [Qd As] (a flush, Ace high)
pierreabs: mucks hand
mdom collected $1206 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1209 | Rake $3
Board [Ks Qs 7h 2s Ts]
Seat 1: tomsOn (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: gawdawaful (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Rizla884 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mdom showed [Qd As] and won ($1206) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: djforever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pierreabs (button) mucked [Ah Tc]

oh yeah

this is good, very good

This happens all the time. Am I doing anything wrong? vs 24/20/3 8% 3b

Idk if 4 betting is better pre for value, actually i think it is bad but i may be wrong. I don't think I can raise flop. I hate it, its so annoying.

I don't even really like calling pre but I get 3 bet so much and I want them to die! muahahaha....

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $183.80
CO: $257.00
Hero (BTN): $270.75
SB: $262.70
BB: $206.00
UTG: $128.50

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with J A
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($49.00) A T 7 (2 players)
BB bets $32, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($113.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($113.00) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $58, BB calls $58

Final Pot: $229.00
Hero shows J A (a pair of Aces)
BB shows K T (two pair, Kings and Tens)
BB wins $226.00
(Rake: $3.00)

back to back hands, havent had this happen in a while:

Hand #1
Poker Stars $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $2089.00
BB: $1000.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BTN/SB with T 9
Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20

Flop: ($60.00) T 4 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB raises to $170, Hero raises to $350, BB raises to $970 all in, Hero calls $620

Turn: ($2000.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($2000.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $2000.00
Hero mucks T 9
BB shows J A (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
BB wins $1999.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #2
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Hero (BB): $1049.00
BTN/SB: $2039.50

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with 7 5
BTN/SB raises to $30, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($60.00) 4 7 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $50, Hero raises to $185, BTN/SB raises to $480, Hero raises to $1019 all in, BTN/SB calls $539

Turn: ($2098.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($2098.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $2098.00
Hero shows 7 5 (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
BTN/SB shows 4 4 (three of a kind, Fours)
BTN/SB wins $2097.50
(Rake: $0.50)


-RUDIKULOUS

sick life

Jaysu, I would hope you have some dynamic with the guy where he's capable of 5bet shoving worse if you did 4bet AJ for value. If you dont have that dynamic then calling and playing postflop is my standard.

I would bet the turn though. Villain looks like he's giving up on the hand. Id expect all his pair + straight/flush draws to double barrel, so were probably not betting for value too often, but maybe he calls with a weaker ace or 910 no diamond.

As played on the river, obv you have to valuebet. Im surprised at him not betting turn or river though..

anyone else bet the turn rather than the river?

check raising the turn seems to be the new style in 3 bet pots, and i wanted to try to get to showdown, figured value betting river was enough.

if people c/r more often that's a good argument for betting

we don't only get value by betting and having our opponents call with worse hands you know!

I realize the bolded part is not totally serious, but it's very indicative of an ego-based mindset that probably causes you to spew a lot of money. And then you just write those hands off as coolers or something when that really wasn't the case...

you could be right i guess. i just don't think c/r is better than just betting w/ any good hands from villain's POV and you get looser calls on the turn than the river. plus you can get all the money in if you improve on the river.

people check raise more often with hands that beat mine rather than just double barrel.

okay thanks. i'm 5k below equity this month, and as i was typing this i got a flopped set in on the turn vs a flopped flush and a turned set in vs a turned straight. i really hate poker right now (lol, someone just called my 3 bet oop with AJ and beat my AK on the river, although we checked it down) and i am not particularly happy at the moment.

I am grateful that you are concerned for me, but this is my first losing month all year. normally I am in very good control of myself and I don't believe I have any ego issues whatsoever. I don't even have tilt issues anymore really. I may not be a great player yet but I'm confident that I will do my best.

I realize I post a lot of hands here that I played poorly, but I can usually tell what I did wrong. it's not like i go around calling 3 bets oop with 53s though, that comment in my last hand history meant that i don't really ever like calling 3 bets no matter what my hand is, but when these jerks are going to 3 bet me with worse hands I think I have to call. The thing is I miss a lot or they suck out anyway.

I say I don't really tilt but I'm sick of getting 3 bet by these stupid regs, it makes me kind of mad. They 3 bet me tons, so I have to start taking counter measures, but they either win flips or win with weaker hands oop because they are luckboxes. when I 3 bet regs (even for value) they always call which is annoying as hell and I miss most of the time, and I'm not one of those guys who cbets too much so I have to give up sometimes. But whenever I call 3 bets they cbet/i miss.

Not that I have problems facing 3 bets, I'm just complaining, but it just always turns out better for the other guy this month even if I play "properly" which is why I posted that hand and asked if there were any problems.

see, coolers, this is like a flip to me

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $639.70
UTG: $210.55
Hero (CO): $278.10
BTN: $214.00
SB: $248.05

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, SB raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero raises to $60, SB raises to $248.05 all in, Hero calls $188.05

Flop: ($498.10) Q 4 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($498.10) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($498.10) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $498.10
Hero mucks A A
SB shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
SB wins $496.10
(Rake: $2.00)

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BTN: $200.00
Hero (SB): $222.25
BB: $35.00
CO: $534.45

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with Q K
CO raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.00) J 2 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($16.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, CO calls $10

River: ($36.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $26, CO raises to $517.45 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $88.00
CO wins $86.00
(Rake: $2.00)

This has to be a bluff, or 44 right?

more examples: I don't know if I consider this a cooler but I don't exactly think it's very poorly played, vs a 71/17/2. guess i could 4 bet pre but thats kindve gross


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $100.70
BTN: $450.05
SB: $118.30
BB: $200.00
UTG: $200.00
Hero (MP): $209.35

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with T T
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($31.00) A 6 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($31.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($43.00) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero calls $12

Final Pot: $67.00
BTN shows A 6 (a full house, Aces full of Sixes)
Hero mucks T T
BTN wins $64.00
(Rake: $3.00)

It can be other silly things like 22, 66, JJ

I'm not trying to flame you here jay, but from your posts it sounds like your poker mindset is pretty bad right now. Take some time off, go on a week-long bender on the drug of your choice, read some books, run a marathon, whatever... just don't play for a bit.

pretty sure i lost every all in pre tonight in 1600 hands


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $326.05
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $476.50
UTG: $462.30
MP: $513.90
CO: $197.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with Q Q
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $26, 1 fold, MP raises to $513.90 all in, Hero calls $174 all in

Flop: ($402.00) 8 8 K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($402.00) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($402.00) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $402.00
Hero shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Eights)
MP shows K Q (two pair, Kings and Eights)
MP wins $399.00
(Rake: $3.00)

this may be a good idea you have here:

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $27.00
BTN: $384.70
SB: $198.00
BB: $419.90
Hero (UTG): $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with Q J
Hero raises to $6, CO calls $6, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: ($25.00) J 2 7 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, CO raises to $21 all in, BTN folds, BB folds, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($67.00) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($67.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $67.00
CO shows A Q (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
Hero shows Q J (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
CO wins $65.00
(Rake: $2.00)


It's so hard to stop playing when you are down though, and I think I am still a winning player, so I am so determined to grind it out. I only have 3 more weeks off from school and I'll have to spend a lot of time studying after break so I want to make the most of my poker time... I am not sure, but I am actually taking it pretty easy and not grinding nearly as much as you guys seem to, so I think it is okay.

oh my god please kill me vs fish



Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $329.15
Hero (UTG): $431.00
MP: $690.50
CO: $407.30
BTN: $477.45
SB: $194.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BTN raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $70, BTN raises to $477.45 all in, Hero calls $361 all in

Flop: ($865.00) 7 5 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($865.00) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($865.00) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $865.00
Hero shows A K (high card Ace)
BTN shows T Q (a straight, Eight to Queen)
BTN wins $862.00
(Rake: $3.00)