he's raising everything

I've missed 6-max... I may suck at it but god I love not having to wait around for action.

Question: WTF IS UP HERE?!!??!!?!?

At our local card room I sat down at a 1-2 NL game with $200, full 9handed table, nothing real special. It's definitely not a cutthroat game tonight, alot of old guys with too much money, getting away from their wives, chatting about the old days and how poker players these days have no idea what real poker is about yadda yadda yadda. Real homegrown bulls%*t.

I've never been to this card room before, I moved her about 3 months ago and after making sure the family is handled and the rent is paid, I took my BR out for a spin. As I sit down the old men at the table barely look at me, except this feisty old timer to my right with a cane who greets me with a "Well look at the youngster here, fellas!"

Everyone except one guy directly across from me has a healthy stack and its very clear that two guys there have had a VERY good night....though it makes me wonder if there are some liberal buy in rules around here. I wait until after the button passes to post and decide that until I know more about the table, I'm in total TAG mode.

Two circuits pass before I find myself in the cutoff with 56os. My initial feeling on this hand in such an early position is to toss it but something odd happened. UTG raised to $10, while UTG+1 called. Next guy folded, then MP and MP+1 called. I glance to my left and see that the blinds have their hands in the classic I'm folding position and decide "What the hell, maybe I'll get lucky" and call the $10 bet. My brain mutters something about easy pot odds and good chances against a large pair and/or large connectors, but really I wasn't thinking too much at this stage. I'm also fairly sure I was bored a bit too, after all watching things play out for two circuits when you're just looking to have a good time isn't very fun at all. The button calls the $10, but as predicted the blinds both toss their hands.

Of course, the flop comes 5-6-5 with two diamonds. And suddenly everyone goes nuts.

The initial raiser pops $75 into the pot, which if I remember correctly was a slight overbet of the pot and had the guy next to him ribbing about how his bets were always predictable - Then he called. The MP guy folds, and the guy to my right makes an immedate reraise and pushes all in!! He's one of the big stacks at the table and he's sitting on roughly 700. The table suddenly mutters about him being a huge bully all night.

Naturally, I call. I did think about the possibility of 66 for a moment but the way people were ribbing the big stack I figured he was just a loose, overaggressive player. I pushed all my chips into the middle and the table is suddenly laughing hysterically, with almost everyone chiming in about how this new kid was going to lose everything on his first hand in. The button folds and the original raiser and caller both go all in too! No one has the big stack covered, so we're looking at a middle pot of around 800 with a side pot of another 300-400 iirc.

At this point my mind is in logic mode - Someone has 66 and I'm beat. These guys just ate me up and I'm about to donate my starting buy in to the poker community. The turn is a deuce and the river is the K of diamonds. UTG triumphantly turns over J10d, which is immediately trumped by the AK of diamonds. The big stack to my right mutters about "Alzheimer Players" (WTF) and tosses what he says is AA into the muck. The sidepot is handled, and the dealer asks me to challenge for the main pot. I turn over my 56 with no hesitation, am announced the winner with a full house, and the main pot is shipped to me.

Suddenly I'm on the same level as Hitler. As one of the players is re-buying, I start getting berated for my play.

"You just had to slow-roll that didn't you?"
"Ya know that's a bad hand to play right?"
"****ing stupid kids always get lucky here"
"Internet Players"
"Bet his mother taught him to play like that"
"What an *******, who plays Five-Six when it's raised?"
"This here is a friendly game, kid. We don't play to bust each other"
"Why dont you go somewhere else? We're trying to have fun here."
And my personal favorite
"Yer not supposed to skunk the game, junior"

I'm no stranger to harsh table talk, but this was really weird. Even the guys who weren't involved were throwing me dirty looks, and it wasn't until one of the guys got up and threatened to beat me with his cane did I hear a yell from across the room say "CHARLIE! Sit down and shut up or I'll throw yer ass out!" (Seriously, a guy who had to be 90 grabbed his cane and shook it at me. As crappy as the talk was I had to do everything I could to NOT laugh at that point.)

After that, no one wanted to play with me. I loosened up and tried to encourage some action but any hand I was in never saw past the flop. They just folded, giving me more dirty looks and an occasional dirty jab. After another few circuits I decided I'd had enough of this "cardroom" and left, taking my nice profit with me.

I don't get it? Legitimate Hand, Legitimate Call, Lucky Flop and Insane old men betting like there's no tomorrow and I get bitched at for winning? WTH?!?!?

tl;dr = Legitimate Hand, Legitimate Call, Lucky Flop and Insane old men betting like there's no tomorrow and I get bitched at for winning? WTH?!?!?

put money on more sites

ok so im playing some 100nl 6max, normal tag opens btn, i 3bet JJ in the sb, and bb who has a reg like name playing around 17/14 or something but only 30ish hands 4bets what do you do?

The most awful thing about HU is losing to droolers imo, it's probably the main reasons I've been playing more and more PLO or NL 6max lately.

In 6max you rarely lose multiple buy-ins to someone who's playing 80/10, but in HU you certainly will have 10bi losing sessions against 95/5 droolers who'll call your 6bb preflop raises (which I like to do against fish with big hands) with 36o and call at least two streets with bottompair or underpair on any board.

I play 5max but I'd probably fold here... Against aggro regs' cold-4b always shove.

ya it was so hard to fold because ive been playing only hu pretty much for the last couple months so prob havent folded JJ pre in 2010

how do you lose against someone calling bottom pair? aside from when they hit trips on every river

i was down like 2k to a super fish 80/30 type the other day, 1 table of ***** trench warfare but i won most of that **** back over like 5 hours

Yah but I'm tilting like a mofo playing HU so that's probably not a good solution!

I think a lot of it has to do with my hours and lack of motivation for wanting to play when the only action I'm getting is from people who seem to own me right and left.

I'm sure my next heater will make me love HU again.

IT'S HARD TO BEAT BOTTOM PAIR IN HU

what stakes do you play? if you wanna trade sweats that helps me a lot when im tilting

his range has a decent amount of weak made hands that beat you in his range if hes tilty/stationy, and the K might get him to call down if hes looking for reasons for it and is a decent hand reader. I hate this line a lot.

I would but I have problems even setting up sweats with my coach on a weekly basis. Although he's MIA, so if he's dead I will let you know.

Thanks, you fold the flop?

unless his f3b% is really low or you have a read that hes 4bet bluffing a lot, I wouldnt 3b in the first place. vs a cold 4bet, your hand = 22, so fold.

I actually enjoyed this story. FWIW this kinda behavior is natural in a lot of live poker rooms, especially when there are a bunch of regulars at the table who know each other. my favorite part of this story is when one of the old guys says "this is a friendly game, we don't try to bust each other." It's like, uh ok, then why are you guys going all in and calling before the action even gets to me? Moral of the story is that live poker players are some of the most annoying people you will ever meet. They constantly talk about poker like they know everything when in reality 90% of the **** they say is wrong. If they're not winning, they'll basically complain about anything and try to find ways to berate you when you win money off of them.

The only way I've found to not go crazy when having to listen to this **** is to just mess around a ton. Say a lot of donkish stuff like "a pocket pair will flop a set half the time" and "well my cards were offsuit so I could hit two flushes" and basically just try to act like a huge fish. This is good because 1. it gets you action, and 2. it's makes stacking people even more fun because they think they've just gotten stacked by a fish. Also, it's reaaaaaaly funy when they realize that you're much better than them and have just been ****ing with them with the stuff that you were saying, then they usually just shut up.

I've found that just trying to be friendly and crack jokes is the best way to go about things. If they respond well to it, great! If they don't then you can still mess with them as you take their chips. Regardless, you're gonna have to put up with and listen to a ton of bull **** from these terrible live players.

One last thing, when you win a pot with 56o, or when you show a bluff, or when you win a hand with a non-premium hand and they berate you. it's best to just say "well if I'm so bad and such a fish, then you'll probably just win it all back right?" or even something like "well, don't you WANT me to call preflop with bad cards? Because you should win more often right? Would you prefer I play only premium hands and never lose any money to you?" Basically if someone is really being a d-bag I just point out the massive holes in their logic until they shut up. I explain my reasoning logically and ask them to refute it...they never can. Essentially people, for the most part any way, will shut up when they realize that they're outclassed and that they don't know what they're doing. And their are surely ways of doing this that don't involve "educating the fish" but are still very fun. I'm rambling but I wanted to respond to this story because dealing with the bs of live players is one of the most challenging things about playing live, and if you don't learn how to deal with it it will drive you crazy. One of the things I've found that really helps is having a friend of yours at the table who you can talk with. You're not colluding or trying to outplay one another but it just really helps to have an ally with whom you can talk or who can back you up when someone is being a huge ass. Those are my thoughts anyway.

Well, there's those days when every single time you are valuebetting A9 multiple streets on T92ss against someone who will call any pair, ace high or gutshot they have T3, when you flop a topset they make runnerflush with their bottom pair, when you have overpair they flop two pair, when you 3bet 15bb with AKs they call with K4o and flop is A44, when you have oesfd with overs they calldown with K high etc.

It's not really that hard to lose 5-10bi to someone completely awful in HU, especially if they are aggro fish. In 6max you gain so big advantage over 90/10 guys just by having so much stronger preflop range, that you don't really get owned like that so often.

Hello reg, u rep nothing, I'll take this pot pls.
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em $0.30 Ante - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $300.00
CO: $244.20
Hero (BTN): $443.40
SB: $252.80
BB: $318.00

Pre Flop: ($4.50) Hero is BTN with 7 4
UTG raises to $6, CO calls $6, Hero raises to $26, 2 folds, UTG calls $20, 1 fold

Flop: ($62.50) K 8 K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $34, UTG raises to $82, Hero calls $48

Turn: ($226.50) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $50, Hero calls $50

River: ($326.50) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $100, UTG folds

awesome post pjhpmc live poker is so lol.

id fold pre

craig,
this spot on the flop may look profitable in hindsight but given your reads, not so sure. fishy SB may not be folding as often as we think and if BB is tilted/plays higher he may call as well so id fold flop, but as played, id bet/bet.

yea I do, I think this is a pretty clear reverse implied odds situation + I think we have < 30% equity 3 ways here, and I dont know that we will realize all of our equity. We have pretty much the nut worst 7x, I dont think you are folding SB or BB off of better hands like ever given your read, fish can have a decent amount of 2x here if hes super stationy pf, reg can be tiltcalling A2o pf and tons of fd's, and obviously they can both have draws that are > 50% equity against you.

i mean i dont play a ton of 6max but i would have to have a special read not to 3bet JJ in this position, maybe you are just nitty? im confused im like fistpump getting the money in against anyone with a tag sounding name in this spot

ummm wat

err maybe i just misunderstood, but obv you would rather play hu against a 90/10 guy than be at a 6max table with one

He's just saying that because you are playing more hands heads up vs the 90/10 that the potential swings will be greater.