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02-09-2009 , 07:20 PM

#26

corsakh

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Are you sure he is calling three streets with deuces?

02-09-2009 , 07:24 PM

#27

pdoran10

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i endorse societymax's assesment of the hand and the villain.

02-09-2009 , 07:26 PM

#28

bilbo-san

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poincaraux

Are they that much better at $200NL? Because I think that, readless, a lot of my opponents usually just put themselves on a good pair, put you on a 1/2-pot bet, and call.

QFYes

02-09-2009 , 07:32 PM

#29

ogabay

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Honestly I hate everything about this hand, except for preflop. After he calls your flop bet, I would just give up on this turn card. On the river I am not sure you have enough stack to get the right fold equity needed.

02-09-2009 , 07:34 PM

#30

Brian O'Nolan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by societymax

limoni's a little spewy, i'm not sure i like the flop raise vs him. of course, a consequence of that is that is makes your turn bet a little better than it would be vs most people

ya but for the purposes of discussing this hand it doesn't matter what your read on him is or any history you may have...

02-09-2009 , 07:36 PM

#31

poincaraux

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poincaraux

Are they that much better at $200NL? Because I think that, readless, a lot of my opponents usually just put themselves on a good pair, put you on a 1/2-pot bet, and call.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilbo-san

QFYes

Stupid internet. I can't tell if this means "Yes they're that much better at $200NL" or "Yes poin's reasoning means they'll call" (or even "Yes they're better at $200NL and your read sucks they're thinking like that at $100NL too fish").

02-09-2009 , 07:39 PM

#32

skibbel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poincaraux

Are they that much better at $200NL? Because I think that, readless, a lot of my opponents usually just put themselves on a good pair, put you on a 1/2-pot bet, and call.

Agree.
Flopbluffraise is good with the conditions here , for continue barreling you need a read. if you would have 60-70$ more it would be much easier to push him off onepair.

02-09-2009 , 07:43 PM

#33

corsakh

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Its hard to say if the flop raise is good or bad without knowing why he makes it.

02-09-2009 , 07:44 PM

#34

Chaos_ult

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skibbel

Agree.
Flopbluffraise is good with the conditions here , for continue barreling you need a read. if you would have 60-70$ more it would be much easier to push him off onepair.

For the flopraise to be good, you have to be willing to bet like 90% of turns, right?

Last edited by Chaos_ult; 02-09-2009 at 07:50 PM.

02-09-2009 , 07:53 PM

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skibbel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos_ult

For the flopraise to be good, you have to be willing to bet like 90% of turns, right?

Why? I don't think villian continues a lot with less than TT but he cbets a lot.

I'd like it much more with a hand like JxTx,AxYx,QxTx,QxJx with x in spade heart or diamond where you're more likely to suck him out / hit some hidden hand with showdownvalue or better.

02-09-2009 , 07:54 PM

#36

Chaos_ult

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skibbel

Why? I don't think villian continues a lot with less than TT but he cbets a lot

To fold out the bluffcatchers like 99 and TT obv

02-09-2009 , 07:59 PM

#37

skibbel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos_ult

To fold out the bluffcatchers like 99 and TT obv

Villian is unkown (at least to me). TP is a very large portion of his range when he calls the flopraise. I think it's very very mariginal trying to fold out TP on this dry if not -EV.

02-09-2009 , 08:06 PM

#38

DLU

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Quote:

Originally Posted by El P

just a query, how often are you raising such a dry flop with KQ/KJ? i tend to not raise those spots a lot to balance to my floats.

this is what i was thinking too

02-09-2009 , 08:06 PM

#39

Chaos_ult

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I'm not sure how aggro villain is, but my intuition tells me that we're not really repping a very big range, so therefore it's more likely that you

1. Get called by a wider range than you expect
2. Get rebluffed

Weather or not these happen with a large enough frequecy to consider folding or floating instead are what I'm unsure about.

02-09-2009 , 08:18 PM

#40

GotN0wT

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When you raise the flop your range is extremely narrow - that's why I don't like it. Either call or fold.

As played, give up on turn. He's not folding his hand.

02-09-2009 , 11:34 PM

#41

danlim1

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you're not repping much each other.

and btw, knowing limoni, he will call this 100% of the time

02-10-2009 , 01:00 AM

#42

Fonkey123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danlim1

you're not repping much each other.

and btw, knowing limoni, he will call this 100% of the time

****.

02-10-2009 , 01:05 AM

#43

Claunchy

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meh, didn't read every reply, but to those saying "he has such good odds to call so it's bad:" hero doesn't have to be successful very often either, so he's getting great odds to bluff here as well. and it's the best card ever to bluff.

anyway, i assume the general consensus is turn bad, river standard. at least that's what i think.

02-10-2009 , 05:01 PM

#44

Fonkey123

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So, after about 5 seconds he called with AA

02-10-2009 , 05:06 PM

#45

larry31

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i don't think you should put any more money in after flop raise on this texture, i mean when he calls your raise OOP his hand is pretty defined and surely its burning money trying to get him off it?

02-10-2009 , 05:08 PM

#46

Poker_is_Hard

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GotN0wT

When you raise the flop your range is extremely narrow - that's why I don't like it. Either call or fold.

As played, give up on turn. He's not folding his hand.

This

Bluffing in spots where you rep a very small range while giving good odds is not profitable in my opinion.

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