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12-31-2016 , 11:56 AM
Hand 1- 1/3 NL button straddle and two callers. Hero raises to 20 preflop with AKo in middle position. Get 3 callers. Flip comes K99 with two spades and I have As. Check to hero who bets 40 and two people call.

Turn comes 7 putting two flush draws on board. Checks to hero again. Hero bets 120. Early position check shoves for 190 and get cold call from other player. Hero? I think there is some merit in calling seeing that I have to pay 70 more and win a lot. But I don't think I'm ever ahead here. I feel I am going against trips and combo draws every time. I ended up folding thinking I was never good and was drawing to a king. Was this right?

Hand 2 1/3 NL. Two limps and hero raises cutoff to 15 with 66. BB and both limpers call. Flip comes 532 rainbow. Checks to hero who bets 35. Bb calls after looking at me for some time.

Older woman who has been hitching about the way young adults play that they are too aggressive. Figuring she is dubious of my play like I'm trying to bluff into a couple people. Turn is 2. Woman checks hero bets 60 and Woman shoves for 150. Hero thinks for a little and calls. Was this right. I felt that she was weak and was floating to steal.

Hand 3. 1/3NL. Button straddle pot. 4 limpers and hero has 64s in cutoff. Calls and button checks. Flip comes 775 giving me the open end straight flush draw. Check to me. I bet 25 trying to build the pot on huge combo draw. Button calls. EP shoves 95 and MP calls cold. Hero thinks for a bit and calls. And button folds. Turn comes a 5. No bets 100. Hero folds. Am I right? I almost kind of feel like I should have folded flop but hard to do. If I'm facing trips at MP and he is giving me good price. I am willing to pay to get the rest. He has shown to pay off people 100% of the time "just to see" as he says.
12-31-2016 , 03:44 PM
Hand 1- I like to check a lot of paired flops like this when I hit top pair. I feel like it can protect me more when I completely miss and check. I feel like it can keep the pot smaller when someone does trip up, and it can induce weaker hands to bet into me on the turn thinking they are best, and they want to make me pay to draw out.
As far as the all in shove, call, and you folding...i like your fold there.

Hand 2- I probably would have limped behind with 66. I would have bet the flop. I would have folded to that turn shove. Hands like A4s and small pocket pairs like limping a lot preflop. I think you are beat here a ton. I'd fold to the shove.

Hand 3- I don't think I would try to build a big pot on a paired board with only straight and flush draws.
12-31-2016 , 06:41 PM
Yeah but when it's a suited board and pair. I like to bet for protection and value. Getting called by most J10s Q10s ADs and most Kings. So I think betting here isn't bad. The check shove seemed weak but the cold call made me think trips and I thought I was surely drawing to a king.

Hand 2. I have played with this older woman before and she is tight. That's why I never thought A4 was in her range. I was thinking a middle pair at most but usually suited paint that's tired of "young aggressive idiots" as she says lol

Hand 3. Thinking about it more. I am still torn on whether to check back or build the pot for a huge combo draw. I guess multi way my flush draw is likely drawing thin. So maybe it's good to check. But why play the hand in the first place if I get the exact kind of flop I want for this type of hand. Just shirty to run into two guys who both tripped up. The guy even said he was going to check turn to me thinking I had a strong 7 but then since we were chopping if I had a 7 He wanted to see if I had the 7. So I'm. I still kind of like betting this flop. Just unfortunate this time that the turn made me drawing to 2 outs.
01-01-2017 , 01:43 PM
Hand 1: Raise much more Pre. Like to 35. Your hand is strong but plays poorly on multiway flops, plus the straddler has position post so we need to deny him the great pot odds he gets when we only make it 20 pre.

I think we should check the turn. Postflop our hand is strong but not 3 streets of value strong. So if we are checking 1 Street for pot control the turn makes sense since we will have position on the river and will gain a great deal of information by seeing how our opponents react to our check.

Last edited by Money$Team; 01-01-2017 at 02:06 PM.
01-01-2017 , 04:48 PM
Hand 2: Deciding whether or not to bet the turn is actually quite a difficult little decision in my opinion.

Betting can protect/get value from overcards that didn't believe us on the flop. This also is one of the best turn cards for our hand, so if we're going to be continuing on any turns this seems like a good candidate.

Checking helps us pot control with a marginal/showdownable hand and helps us avoid tough spots like the one we found our selves in. And since we have 6 outs to improve to a straight or boat, we don't mind seeing a free river. Making a straight also has great implied odds since it sounds like V will have a lot Ace highs that floated us and we basically always stack her when she makes the low end. Also, checking may induce some bluffs we can get value from on the river.

All things considered, think I lean slightly toward checking but it's a tough call that I'd like to hear others opinions on it.

Once she shoves it sounds like you have a live read and if that's the case then go for it (not to mention you're getting big odds and can occasionally suck out when your wrong). I guess the question you have to answer is does she have that bluff in her arsenal. Is grandma, whose tired of all these young whipper snappers and their aggressive antics, really capable of floating the flop with air in order to check/shove the turn as a bluff. If so, your call is fine.
01-01-2017 , 05:07 PM
Hand 3: Another tough spot. It seems you played it fine but I think I may just re-raise AI on the the flop depending how deep you are (please include stack sizes). The benefit of shoving is that you could make a higher FD (which you are in bad shape agaist) fold and you don't mind when your up against trips since you're still the favorite and the pot is already getting quite big. Plus, by just calling you look very much like you have a FD which may keep you from getting value when you get there, even if Villian normally pays you off light.
01-01-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Money$Team
Hand 1: Raise much more Pre. Like to 35. Your hand is strong but plays poorly on multiway flops, plus the straddler has position post so we need to deny him the great pot odds he gets when we only make it 20 pre.

I think we should check the turn. Postflop our hand is strong but not 3 streets of value strong. So if we are checking 1 Street for pot control the turn makes sense since we will have position on the river and will gain a great deal of information by seeing how our opponents react to our check.
That's an interesting idea but I think we see a mix of bluffs on the river as well as value hands. Rather than pot controlling I was thinking 2 barreling and then checking back rivers wouldn't be a bad line either since if I raised and 2 barreled. They likely let me continue if they do have trips and check rivers allowing me to check back.

      
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