Villian is 25/20 w an af of 3.1, 3bet of 6.6, and flopC/R of 19%. I have seen him do kinda tricky, aggressive stuff b4 but he is not getting too out of line at all.

Do you think he has enough draws and weak hands in his range that we can shove this turn, he might even call w some stuff we kinda crush.


[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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Hero (CO): $107.50 (107.5 bb)
BTN: $106.81 (106.8 bb)
SB: $105.25 (105.3 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 4
Hero raises to $3, BTN folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

Flop: ($7) 9 7 J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB raises to $16.50, Hero calls $11

Turn: ($40) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $30

call turn

would you fold tun if we didn't hit a pair?

Fold flop due to terrible equity because he can have a lot of hands for value and even FDs that have us crushed. His raise isn't even small.

I'd consider checking back flop vs. this guy with 19% c/r. Pretty awesome vs. aggro guys since if the flush binks on turn they think your range is capped and will often try to barrel you off your perceived TT, T9, 98 type hands

flop is a fold obv

I check back the flop all day long bcz of his c/r percentage of 19. So it's close but I call the turn with our additionally twopair or trip outs and give up river UI.

are we really folding flop vs a guy with 19% c/r ?
this dude will have stuff like ATdx that will barrel off on diamond turns and possibly even jam rivers.

dont agree with this. dont even know about the flop. i mean youre only getting at best around 25% and at worse could be drawing pretty close to dead. against someone so agressively raising this becomes a worse call given your implied odds suck, and his value range is so wide. it also makes it a situation where youre hardly getting exploited against him when youre going to have enough hands pre that can defend pretty comfortably here with him being so agressive.

how can we be drawing dead ? He either has a set/straight and we have a flushdraw or he is flushing and we're ahead, we only crushed by 9dXd

fold flop now call and call any diamond/5 river, a 4 is close and will depend on sizing

v an aggro player 4 handed somebody who i expect to attack these flops quite often to my cbets i am not folding a fd to a cr.

dont try and get me to fold pairs.

Ye, probably

I fold flop here without really thinking about it.
Isn't 54s horribad vs any c/r range?
As played I'd rather call turn I don't think you get many folds and I don't think you're ahead enough.

well one, i said "close to drawing dead" and two, i was talking about the flop. we are never ahead on the flop, and could likely be drawing to 6 outs, best case scenerio with have around 25% equity with terrible implied odds... imo its a pretty major leak if you think otherwise.

If I bet this flop against a guy with 19% CR assuming big enough sample it's to shove over his CR (or call and jam over his turn bet depending on stack sizes etc). I guess technically it's best to call turn if we hit a pair (or intention when flatting flop was to keep his bluffs in and jam over them on the turn and we have now pulled ahead of his pure bluffs) but shoving can't be too horrible.

We'll be ****ed against some parts of his range be we can ignore those and concentrate on how to optimize against the bluffing portion and that's how we should approach the hand.
Relevant stats/history I'd check: How does he play the turn once his raise is called. Is he a one and done type or will he barrell through (turn AF, river AF compared to flop AF, WWSF etc. or preferably showndown hands or better yet both), does he play drawy and/or middling flops differently than other flops
Other relevant info: What's his flatting range from the SB, how does he view BB (heve we seen him 3bet certain hands from the SB etc. )

Well yeah 19% c/r sure... But doesn't mean he's going Crazy on this Flop, which i See gettin checked back alot by Air or med. Stength Hands that he'd expect 2 fold out by à cr.Ergo i don't think he's expecting too many Folds here. I also fold Flop cause of Reverse implied odds.

Prob 3b shoving flop against 19% c/r, we have good equity against a lot of his get-it-in range and he should also have gutshots/air/spazz that will fold often enough to make this profitable.