[IMG]Merge - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $48.30 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 17)
BTN: $29.55 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: $54.67 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (BB): $20.10
UTG: $36.46 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 20.22, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 188)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8 Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.25, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) Q J 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $29.30 and is all-in, Hero calls $19.85 and is all-in

Turn: ($40.30, 2 players) 5

River: ($40.30, 2 players) 3

BTN shows T 9 (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 78%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows 8 Q (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)
(Pre 57%, Flop 22%, Turn 9%)
BTN wins $38.06[/IMG]

There really was not much of a dynamic going on at this table , felt it could have easily been someone : A(on tilt) B(flush draw) c(mis-click)

real weird i would have called too maybe it should be a fold though since you have to win every other hand here and with a shove like that maybe they are bluffing every other time to win .60 cents lol

Yeah i agree, I think what really put me over the edge was how easy it is to mis-click all in on carbon when entering a bet size.

I'm closer to snap call than snap fold. I wouldn't actually snap call because I'd look at it and be like "wtf is that; that's weird". But then I would call.

Made me chuckle. I also agree, I'm clicking call here.

I don't think it's a snap-anything. But, I do think it's a fold.

You are basically getting 1:1. and even if you're good now, there are a ton of draws you have to fade. (without running numbers) I just don't think you end up winning enough times to balance it since you have almost no re-draws. You have four outs to fill up and that's about it. It sucks folding two pair. But I think it's the right play.

Even this being true, it's tottaly fear-biased. You have way too many card that don't fill up anything that more than justify a 1:1 call here.

it's a call every time. folding would be a terrible mistake.

Pot flop yourself

As played shrug and call.

Def calling, why check flop though?

Ok I ran some numbers.

If we assign villain a range (that I believe is reasonable) on the flop of 88+, suited connectors 54+, AXs, any two suited cards 8 or higher, and non suited broadway hands we end up with here at 69.2% vs villains 30.8. So, I was wrong about the equity. I still struggle to see any non-nutted hands that villain can jam into a pot that size with. So, I'm still not sure I can find a call in game. But I know I'm the minority on that.

I dont get it. First you assign a reasonable range to villain, then you say uou can't find a range. I think you have to make up your mind

I'm saying that we can assign a range that is somewhat reasonable and get equities. And, for the sake of analytics and learning, that's useful. In game, however, I'm not sure I could find a call.

I would snap call here vs unknown. Some fishes do some random **** like Jam Ax with no draw or Jam Bottmo pair

now that I'm thinking of it and reading some replies, my mistake was not betting the flop in which I'm sure I would have folded had my oppenent shipped . Thanks for the discussion