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04-26-2012 , 03:59 AM

The-fryke

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Villain is a 47/36 fish, 75% call cbet so far (3/4), only about 80 hands on him. Was folding to 50% of cbets at the time, plus has a wide range, so I think cbet is fine. I think turn barrel is compulsory given picked up equity/getting him to fold lower pairs. On river do we just sigh jam given that he may call with worse but will never bet worse?

On Game, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12750352

CO: $90.50 (90.5 bb)
BTN: $107.65 (107.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $201.39 (201.4 bb)
BB: $226.40 (226.4 bb)
MP: $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

2 folds, BTN raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($21) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN calls $13

Turn: ($47) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $24, BTN calls $24

River: ($95) K

(2 players)

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04-26-2012 , 09:20 AM

Ca$h_1932

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22

IMHO (i see this a lot btw) trying to own a fish with aggression, does not work vs a cs, works fine with passive fish, I would generally fold or 3bet kj on SB, but vs this fish i think i would flat baring in mind if BB has low 3-bet%, and prob c/f flop, i like to take these folk to value town, why over complicate situations.

Ref you'r line i prob c/c turn hoping he checks for pot control, then b/f river, as played i hate shoving river, you have no real blockers to any draw, he has ~60 back, this makes it awkward for sure, not sure on best play tbh, c/f?

04-26-2012 , 10:35 AM

PeoplesElbow

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I think you could get away with betting less on flop and less on turn.

were hoping he had QJ/AQ if we shove, which for sure can be in his range. un-sure of river place, will wait for more people to chime in

05-12-2012 , 09:29 PM

ForeverLearning

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,006

Jamming looks like the best play to me given player type and stacks sizes. Check folding isn't bad either because he most likely won't bet worse for value and there's very few bluffs in his range.

05-12-2012 , 10:07 PM

twalf

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 739

looks like a check fold, dont think the fish is going to be bluffing the river a ton, hero jamming river is basically turning the hand into a bluff ? unless we have a read that this fish calls waaaay too often

05-13-2012 , 09:23 AM

kleinstein000

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Why are you 3 betting this preflop? His fold to 3bet percent is one of the most important things here and you left that out

05-13-2012 , 11:08 AM

Curtlow

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I think 3bet is fine, he looks like someone that will call with a lot of hands. As played, like someone said you could bet less on flop and turn. C/c turn sucks imo. I prob c/f river.

05-13-2012 , 04:51 PM

BoC34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kleinstein000

Why are you 3 betting this preflop? His fold to 3bet percent is one of the most important things here and you left that out

not really. he mentioned that villain called 3/4 times.

05-13-2012 , 05:28 PM

kleinstein000

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoC34

not really. he mentioned that villain called 3/4 times.

No he didnt

05-13-2012 , 05:58 PM

#10

bef99hwk

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Can see merits for flatting or 3betting...Like said above, betting less each street has merits too, as if he is r/c 78s pre, you don't have to bet much and 2 barrels should work on turn for gutters and the like. This way you can b/f river as well.

05-13-2012 , 08:37 PM

#11

_jimbo_

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I think 3betting is far and away the best play vs this guy. This fishy guy is probably opening close to 100% of his buttons. He will fold pre some amount, will rarely/never 4bet bluff and the times he calls, he's likely to have something ******ed which KJo plays well against.

05-14-2012 , 01:50 AM

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loosbastard

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Quote:

I think 3betting is far and away the best play vs this guy.

Agreed.

We're also in the SB, so if BB is even remotely squeezy 3-betting is def better.

05-14-2012 , 02:04 AM

#13

BoC34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kleinstein000

No he didnt

no he didn't.

05-14-2012 , 02:11 AM

#14

loosbastard

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Quote:

His fold to 3bet percent is one of the most important things here and you left that out

I actually don't think it's all that important. If he folds too much it shows immediate profit, and if he calls too much we'll have him dominated a lot and can value-bet him to death post-flop.

How he plays post-flop is way more important than how he responds to 3-bets IMO (assuming he isn't 4-betting a ton obv).

05-14-2012 , 07:14 AM

#15

bohlicious

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fwiw you can absolutely bet/fold this river vs fish, but it's easier if you size your bets better.
Also I don't 3bet this pre but it's not the worst thing ever.

05-14-2012 , 09:23 PM

#16

Curtlow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bohlicious

fwiw you can absolutely bet/fold this river vs fish, but it's easier if you size your bets better.
Also I don't 3bet this pre but it's not the worst thing ever.

Can't b/f when you only have $60 left into $95 pot.

05-15-2012 , 09:45 PM

#17

The-fryke

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call 3bet was 3/4. Mistyped OP

05-15-2012 , 11:03 PM

#18

GOONERCAM

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why do you think he's a fish?

i think this is probably the most important thing left out of this thread and surprisingly doesn't seem to have been asked

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