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Rivered flush, stack-a-donk raise or shove?

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11-23-2007 , 02:43 PM

Mike MacIntosh

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,155

Do not remember much about villain. I have been running 15/12 at this table, so I decided to pop it pf w/ 65s in the CO.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $121.50
UTG: $61.50
Hero (CO): $142.75
BTN: $206
SB: $100

Pre-Flop: 5

dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN folds, SB calls $3

Flop: ($8) 9

(2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($20) J

(2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($20) 8

(2 Players)
SB bets $14, Hero makes it $42ish or shoves?

11-23-2007 , 02:48 PM

Jamsym

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 899

I would make it $50

I think you probably get paid an extra $36 but i think people can fold a 10 to an all in here.

11-23-2007 , 03:06 PM

h_ven

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,569

Ya I wouldn't push here, I like to put a raise in and make it about $50 also.

11-23-2007 , 03:07 PM

The_Bowler

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 126

Ditto.... $50 sounds about right...

My 2c,
The_Bowler

ps what did you do?

11-23-2007 , 03:15 PM

EasyAs1-2-3

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 923

~$50 sounds about right to me. On a side-note how on this hand would we figure exactly what ratio of times he calls a shove vs. calls $50 bet to get to the break-even point between the two. I don't know if I worded that right b/c it sounds confusing even as I read it. Nonetheless, if someone can handle that do so, it's something I've been meaning to find out for awhile concerning whether to push or just bet/raise for value on river bets.

11-23-2007 , 05:01 PM

Mike MacIntosh

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,155

If we shove villain needs to call an additional $76. If we raise to $50 he would need to call an extra $36.

Basically the river calculation would the amount he has to call multiplied by the % of the time he will call each bet.

He would have to call a $50 raise about 2 times more often than a shove for the EV of raising to = shoving.

Example...

EV of raise to $50 = $36 * .5 = $18

EV of shove = $76 * .25 = $19

I hope this clears it up for ya...

11-23-2007 , 05:06 PM

nath

the second coming of the second coming

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69,114

fyi this has nothing to do with the stack-a-donk

i too like the raise to about $50

11-23-2007 , 06:42 PM

the machine

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Quote:

fyi this has nothing to do with the stack-a-donk

hes not implying that this is a stack a donk, hes saying stack a donk raise, ie massive overbet to get him to call with a ten or 2 pair.

id rather go for a value raise here. the only have i feel is calling a big raise is a ten and we lose too much value because he might be scared of it.

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