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01-13-2013 , 06:26 PM

african princee

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villain 22/17/3b 8/raise cb 30/wtsd 26 - 1.6k hands

I think its pretty clear villain turned and ace quite a bit.

Do you think regs will fold an ace to this line? He has to think were capable of turning a pair into a bluff for his call to be good.

BTN: $98.50
Hero (SB): $113.49
BB: $130.96
UTG: $193.16
CO: $107.49

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 7

3 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($26.00) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($26.00) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $12.00, Hero raises to $55,

01-13-2013 , 08:00 PM

Izanagi

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Looks good. I might raise bigger tho.

01-13-2013 , 11:31 PM

Jever

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hahaha. this is so terrible from both of you.
and start folding pre in sb.

01-13-2013 , 11:39 PM

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lol i mustve been tired as hell when i read this thread. Doubt he ever has Ax since he's just calling flop with them. No point in c/raising river.

01-13-2013 , 11:44 PM

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and start folding pre in sb.

just out of curiosity: which coach told you to lag it up so excessively in sb?

01-14-2013 , 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Izanagi

lol i mustve been tired as hell when i read this thread. Doubt he ever has Ax since he's just calling flop with them. No point in c/raising river.

What do you think villains turn checking range consists of then? I think he makes it pretty clear on the turn that he got a piece of the board because all villains bluffs continue on that card. Combine that with the fact that villain is now betting the river 1/2 pot i think its pretty clear were looking at Ax.

01-14-2013 , 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jever

just out of curiosity: which coach told you to lag it up so excessively in sb?

I open wide in the SB vs guys who fold over 66% in that spot....If they adjust i will tighten up.

Im losing less than if i were to fold those hands according to hem.

01-14-2013 , 12:42 AM

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I open wide in the SB vs guys who fold over 66% in that spot....If they adjust i will tighten up.

Im losing less than if i were to fold those hands according to hem.

fair enough. just to remind you that you'll get crushed by better players if you keep opening so wide vs them.

01-14-2013 , 12:44 AM

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could you elaborate on why you hate my line?

01-14-2013 , 12:44 AM

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i have a reg who opens 98% in sb. and i cant stop yelling all the time...

01-14-2013 , 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by african princee

could you elaborate on why you hate my line?

on the river he's never bluffing. and your line is so weird, isn't it? i mean who plays like that for value?

but his line is much more ridiculous tho.

01-14-2013 , 12:48 AM

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Well i think i would play a flush like that. What's the point of leading a flush?

01-14-2013 , 12:59 AM

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hm, i wouldnt.
why would you have played a flush like that`?

01-14-2013 , 01:03 AM

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well what are we trying to get value from by leading that doesn't bet itself when checked to? If we lead river we get called by Ax and very rarely scared trips that checked the turn, both of those hands bet river when checked to.

I only like betting river with a flush if villain doesnt valuebet thin.

01-14-2013 , 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by african princee

Although I do expect them to just bet the turn most of the time with 4x, they will sometimes check because they are scared of the flush.

I can also see him having 56 sometimes as well.

01-14-2013 , 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Izanagi

Although I do expect them to just bet the turn most of the time with 4x, they will sometimes check because they are scared of the flush.

I can also see him having 56 sometimes as well.

4x bets most of the time and 56 bets turn 100% imo

Also if they did check back the turn with those hands i would expect a larger river bet from them.

01-14-2013 , 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by african princee

villain isnt checking trips on the turn. so he checked the A turn: what do we do? we can hope he bets whatever he feels check-worthy on the turn. or we can just bet. maybe even overbet.

01-14-2013 , 01:19 AM

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hm yeah i dunno, betting and going for the cr are probably pretty close, im just saying its def a credible line as a bluff and its my preffered line vs someone who valuebets thinly.

Dont get me wrong im definitely not in love with my bluff here or anything, i think its pretty marginal and bad vs some. Its all about finding the right guys to run it against. I find people get suspicious whenever i check turn and river then raise even though my range has no air in it.

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01-14-2013 , 01:28 AM

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dunno. how do you like my bluff?

http://wt.ag/13sYmYx

is it thread-worthy?

01-14-2013 , 02:03 AM

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is that link right?

01-14-2013 , 03:48 PM

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Like I said, I do expect regs to just barrel turn with 4x and 56 majority of the time, but I do see them being checked sometimes.

I don't think I've ever seen a reg raise flop in this situation with Ax, but I guess it's possible since his raise cb is 30 and he could just be clicking buttons.

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