Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($752)
BB ($909)
UTG ($1,342)
Hero ($400)
CO ($775)
BTN ($477)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

UTG raises to $8, Hero raises to $30, fold, fold, SB raises to $92, fold, UTG calls $84, Hero raises to $400 (AI), SB.................

UTG is a HUGE fish running at 90/30 over 150 hands, he never folds to 3 bets. I've been 3 betting him loads as he's been min raising a lot. SB is a solid aggressive reg, I'd expect his value 4 betting range to be pretty wide here, not too sure on how wide his 4 bet bluffing range is. Once the fish flats I'm pretty sure there's enough dead money in the pot to justify a shove.

lol TAG's range here is super nutted to QQ+, and AK given positions, maybe JJ-TT at worse. Even if UTG is a fish, you 3betting the UTG open from MP is percieved as mega strength so SB's range shouldn't be too wide at all.

I'm 3 betting UTG here with almost any reasonable hand I want to play here, ie JTs, any mid PP, QJ etc. Pretty sure SB will be aware of this.

UTG is not your average fish, he's a F***ing super fish lol.

I don't think he should be thinking that you would be 3betting THAT wide with JTs and QJ. It's not like the fish is running at 98/96 or something, his PFR is just 30, and his UTG PFR should even be lower. 99, let alone JTs, seems tad bit thin for just 100bb stacks.

That said, this implies that TAG should not be shoving too wide here at all (I still think his range is JJ+, AK and that is even somewhat liberal) given the limited info he probably has on you. More importantly, how does the TAG percieve YOU in a vacuum?

LOL do you really think someone who plays at 90/30 is thinking about position?

"his pfr is just 30" - that's most than a the majority of most TAGs VPIP let along their pfr.

The TAG is a reg is a reg, we have played with each other a decent amount he should know that my 3 betting range Vs this particular fish is very wide.

Sure 30 is a high PFR, but its not like astronomical or anything for you to 3bet QJo and JTs for value.

Just to put it into perspective, most HU regs do not 3bet JTs and QJo against a regular 60-70 BTN PFR and 50% f3b.

You are certainly right in a sense that the TAG thinks you're decently wide like AQ and TT and stuff and not confined to nutted QQ+ and AK, hence he can shove a similar TT+ AQ+ range, but I honestly doubt he thinks you would be THAT wide with JTs and QJo.

I give up with you.

HU has nothing to do with this.

i lol'd. Why did you start the thread? Clearly 3betting QJo and JTs in your spot is optimal, why bother?

sb bluffing range: if SB is solid i imagine that he's almost never 4bet bluffing with maniac utg involved because he will get flatted too much.

sb value range: i doubt his value range can be much worse than 88+.

so, fold? of course if i'm off at all about his 4bet bluffing range then OP's line is fine?

pretty easy fold

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.910% 32.71% 00.20% 168005508 1049562.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 67.090% 66.89% 00.20% 343586568 1049562.00 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }


Is this not a reasonable value range? I've discounted AQ by not including AQo. With the dead money in the pot is shoving not better than folding?

FWIW I'd be folding if maniac hadn't called, but his range here will include any PP, any two broadways and most likely a fair few SCs.

I was ment to mention in my original post that I know SB is aggressive preflop (normally has about a 8-9% 3 bet and is certainly capable of 4 bet bluffing) I understand that he probably isn't 4 bet bluffing here very often.