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12-05-2016 , 02:42 PM

nastoprocent

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 27

[converted_hand][hand_history]Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $47.83 (95.7 bb)
BB: $73.72 (147.4 bb)
UTG: $50 (100 bb)
MP: $118.20 (236.4 bb)
CO: $32.21 (64.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $53.92 (107.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.75

Flop: ($8.25) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($17.25) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50

River: ($40.25) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $53.72 and is all-in, Hero ???

Im confused by his pushed, any ideas to call this ?
Reg which something thinking on tables.

12-05-2016 , 02:48 PM

NoSurprises

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,869

He's certainly repping AK here. Any history of him tripling off lite?

I guess the only thing to do otherwise is look at the combos he barrels here (which will include A

x added to the value combos and look at your equity and take it from there.

12-05-2016 , 03:19 PM

btthywrsooted

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,515

His shove is for 34BB eff. Mandatory call.

12-05-2016 , 04:20 PM

mucknuts

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 785

Just fold. You're obviously beat. No need to make things more complicated than that.

12-05-2016 , 04:29 PM

btthywrsooted

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,515

Quote:

Originally Posted by mucknuts

Just fold. You're obviously beat. No need to make things more complicated than that.

We are high in our range and all obvious draws missed. How are we obviously beat?

12-05-2016 , 04:38 PM

nastoprocent

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 27

I dont think its call fine here, cause vill hasnt Kk or Aa.

12-05-2016 , 05:34 PM

MEV

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

His shove is for 34BB eff. Mandatory call.

Am i missing something?

OP do we know anything about his range?

I would probably fold. We do nt beat any valuebet here.
Bad played by villain. This is a flop i would bet to get it in on the turn.

12-06-2016 , 02:45 AM

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Fold. Some of his Axhh would check flop. E.g. AJhh/A10hh. There arent that many bluffs he can have here, and he has a ton of value. 16 AK 3 JJ 1 QQ 1 TT.

Shove is 68bb effective not 34

12-06-2016 , 03:41 AM

btthywrsooted

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,515

Obv meant $ 34 eff

12-06-2016 , 04:21 AM

#10

IClickButtons

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,613

Easy fold to me. We beat 0 value + not too many draws missed + we have enough better hands to call down

12-06-2016 , 05:58 AM

#11

yasuo

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,152

gross spot...but if we fold this, Are we only calling with 89s, or k9s if we defend that?

12-06-2016 , 06:00 AM

#12

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Quote:

Originally Posted by IClickButtons

Easy fold to me. We beat 0 value + not too many draws missed + we have enough better hands to call down

Besides 98s, what else are you calling? Even JJ (if we don't 4-bet pre)/1010 might be a pretty thin call here, or -EV given how strong his range is. Players would very rarely be bluffing this spot, even if they had a bluffing range.

12-06-2016 , 06:36 AM

#13

btthywrsooted

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,515

It's BTN v BB, why are you guys dismissing the possible triple barrel?

12-06-2016 , 06:55 AM

#14

nastoprocent

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 27

Cause its bad board to tripple barreling. Anyway with bottom set it is still sick spot.

12-06-2016 , 10:03 AM

#15

IClickButtons

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,613

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minatorr

Your arguments make the call with AQ even worse, it would be more of a question with two pare or a buttom set

12-06-2016 , 01:10 PM

#16

keybattle

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 665

Hero's range on the river are

AKo/AKs(if hero ever flat pre?)
K9s
89s
QQ (if hero ever flat pre?)
JJ (if hero ever flat pre?)
TT
QJ
QTs
TJs
AQ
KQ

What are we calling here?

12-06-2016 , 02:50 PM

#17

papillon_

old hand

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,467

If we fold this we don't have enough better hands to call with. Can people shove worse for value? possibly.

We don't block any of his whiffed draws and we block 2 lots of sets. Pretty decent hand to call with unless you have reads that he is not bluffing enough in 3bet pots

12-06-2016 , 04:03 PM

#18

DangerNoodle

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 350

lol

"im folding bc we don't beat value hands"

sick strat bois

Last edited by DangerNoodle; 12-06-2016 at 04:08 PM. Reason: hand is w/e, against nits you need to make nitty folds, qt is a good hand to call tho for reasons

12-06-2016 , 05:00 PM

#19

nastoprocent

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 27

Papilon, guys mean, this hand looks bad against V value rangę. I have to say again, this board is bad for tripple barreling for bluff, thats nl50.

12-06-2016 , 05:02 PM

#20

yasuo

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,152

can anyone put this hand into solver

12-06-2016 , 07:48 PM

#21

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Quote:

Originally Posted by IClickButtons

Your arguments make the call with AQ even worse, it would be more of a question with two pare or a buttom set

Huh? I never said anything related to AQ. Im not calling AQ here.

I was asking one of the posters what he'd do with bottom set or JJ if he doesnt 4-bet it pre.

12-06-2016 , 07:49 PM

#22

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerNoodle

lol

"im folding bc we don't beat value hands"

sick strat bois

Lmao you expect him to show up with AA/KK/AQ? A reg is never trippling those hands as a standard play

12-06-2016 , 08:21 PM

#23

DangerNoodle

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 350

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minatorr

Lmao you expect him to show up with AA/KK/AQ? A reg is never trippling those hands as a standard play

i'm not here to coach ppl

and nowhere did i say v likely hada 1p hand

12-07-2016 , 12:54 AM

#24

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Ohh we got a pro here.

You refuted that we cant beat any value hands. He cant value bet worse than Q10s if he isnt trippling KK/AA/AQ

12-07-2016 , 02:22 AM

#25

IClickButtons

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,613

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minatorr

Huh? I never said anything related to AQ. Im not calling AQ here.

I was asking one of the posters what he'd do with bottom set or JJ if he doesnt 4-bet it pre.

Ok, then I am in your capm bro

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